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Ukraine uses active protection on tanks in war against Russia. It works well: http://wartime.org.ua/uploads/posts/2015-04/1427962059_7.jpg http://wartime.org.ua

by lisivka 10y ago

Ukraine uses active protection on tanks in war against Russia. It works well: http://wartime.org.ua/uploads/posts/2015-04/1427962059_7.jpg http://wartime.org.ua/uploads/posts/2015-04/1427962059_7.jpg .

Cyph0n 10y ago
Are you being sarcastic, or is that actually a good end result for one of these systems? Genuinely curious.
- greedo 10y ago
  That's a good result. The APS system is usually paired with reactive panels that explode in the face of the ATGM. This looks bad on the turret, but the turret is intact, and the tank still operational. I'd hate to be a dismount nearby when that goes off, but if your goal is protecting a multimillion dollar tank, that's the dues you have to pay.
- Mizza 10y ago
  That's a very good result. This is what a bad result looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJwkGy6EOj8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJwkGy6EOj8 [NSFW] When the ammo and fuel of the tank burns up, that's called cook-off. You can't repair that, and unfortunately the crew will not survive.
  - Cyph0n 10y ago
    Thanks for the vid. Is there a specific reason why the protection system doesn't detonate the projectile further out to avoid any damage whatsoever?
    - jasonwatkinspdx 10y ago
      The picture above looks like it's reactive armor, which is slightly different. There are multiple versions around, but the core idea is to sandwich explosives between metal plates in such a way that a round striking the assembly triggers the explosive, which drives the plates tangent to the round in a way that can disable it.
      - lisivka 10y ago
        Ukrainian Nizh tries to fragment incoming missile or shell wit cumulative charge. It allows to be effective against broader range of threats.
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- ryanmarsh 10y ago
  Magazine fires do not go over well with the crew. So yes.
ajsalminen 10y ago
They do use Kontakt reactive armor but what's the APS?
- lisivka 10y ago
  No, Ukrainians developed their own active protection because they had no money to license Kontakt and it is quite different. Kontakt fires metal plate against shell to stop and detonate it, Nizh is cumulative and tries to fragment incoming shell.
  - ajsalminen 10y ago
    These are not active protection systems though. Also, I'm pretty sure that they have at least older generation Kontakt ERA that dates back from the Soviet Union in use.

by lisivka 10y ago

Cyph0n 10y ago

Are you being sarcastic, or is that actually a good end result for one of these systems? Genuinely curious.

greedo 10y ago
That's a good result. The APS system is usually paired with reactive panels that explode in the face of the ATGM. This looks bad on the turret, but the turret is intact, and the tank still operational. I'd hate to be a dismount nearby when that goes off, but if your goal is protecting a multimillion dollar tank, that's the dues you have to pay.
Mizza 10y ago
That's a very good result. This is what a bad result looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJwkGy6EOj8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJwkGy6EOj8 [NSFW] When the ammo and fuel of the tank burns up, that's called cook-off. You can't repair that, and unfortunately the crew will not survive.
- Cyph0n 10y ago
  Thanks for the vid. Is there a specific reason why the protection system doesn't detonate the projectile further out to avoid any damage whatsoever?
  - jasonwatkinspdx 10y ago
    The picture above looks like it's reactive armor, which is slightly different. There are multiple versions around, but the core idea is to sandwich explosives between metal plates in such a way that a round striking the assembly triggers the explosive, which drives the plates tangent to the round in a way that can disable it.
    - lisivka 10y ago
      Ukrainian Nizh tries to fragment incoming missile or shell wit cumulative charge. It allows to be effective against broader range of threats.
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        [deleted]
ryanmarsh 10y ago
Magazine fires do not go over well with the crew. So yes.

ajsalminen 10y ago

They do use Kontakt reactive armor but what's the APS?

lisivka 10y ago
No, Ukrainians developed their own active protection because they had no money to license Kontakt and it is quite different. Kontakt fires metal plate against shell to stop and detonate it, Nizh is cumulative and tries to fragment incoming shell.
- ajsalminen 10y ago
  These are not active protection systems though. Also, I'm pretty sure that they have at least older generation Kontakt ERA that dates back from the Soviet Union in use.