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> How are you expecting to find a job when you don't apply? How are you going to apply to a job if there aren't any to apply to ?

by Aaargh20318 10y ago

rdudek 10y ago
That really depends on the market location doesn't it? I've moved states to find jobs in the past.
- logfromblammo 10y ago
  So have I, but even then, I expanded my search radius in discrete steps: - 0-30 minute commute and remote for stable companies - 30-60 minute commute and remote for promising start-ups - less than 2 hour commute and remote for anybody - moving to a previously white-listed US metropolitan area - moving anywhere at all within the continental US - freelancing gigs - live on the government dole - emigrate to a Commonwealth country - emigrate to another Anglophone country - emigrate to a completely foreign culture - turn to a life of white-collar crime - "out, damned spot" - wage bloody revolution against the corporation whores - sell humanity out to the lizard people So far, I haven't ever had to progress past step 5. I'd be a little worried about folks stuck on step 7, as that's just before the slippery slope starts.
  - daemin 10y ago
    Why would you prefer to live on government welfare instead of moving to another country? I can see people not wanting to if they are "settled" in an area - either by property or family - but I would think doing something productive in another country would be better than doing nothing.
    - jethro_tell 10y ago
      {S}He probably had to pay rent and or eat, or go to the doctor, or pay for internet to send out job applications. We don't stop being expensive because we are not working.
    - pdex 10y ago
      The standard of living/quality of live for the poor in the USA is better than being poor in other countries. People on the dole often have nicer shoes and accessories than I do (talk about financial priorities out of whack, but I digress)! Depending on the situation you're better off on the dole than working a low-wage job. However, In other countries being poor means no welfare, no shoes, no plumbing, no food, and no Louis Vuitton purses.
    - logfromblammo 10y ago
      I wouldn't be "doing nothing". The dole isn't always about sitting on ass and cashing checks. It's just that the things I would be doing would probably not be sufficiently remunerative to maintain a lifestyle that includes clean beds and showers.
MichaelBurge 10y ago
There's always jobs. For one, until the entire United States is a bulging mass of skyscrapers and hydroponics towers, there's always something you could buy, develop, and flip or hold.
- Bartweiss 10y ago
  This is true on an individual level, but I'm really wary about the sleight of hand where personal advice is used as a cure for societal problems. Sure, your unemployed nephew could hustle hard enough to find a decent job, but that's not true for everyone's unemployed nephew all at once. Criticizing people for not finding jobs or starting companies doesn't fix structural issues - it's not going to solve Spain's 25% unemployment.
cmdrfred 10y ago
If your goal is a job, there is one. It might pay minimum wage but it's there. I'm a high school drop out from two drug addicted parents that both currently live with their parents. Last time I earned minimum wage I was 15, I got a job in a kitchen washing dishes and worked my way up to sous chef over 8 years and as many restaurants. Then I taught myself some networking and PC troubleshooting and got a job in IT, then another. Now I'm working on a portfolio together and I'm going to take a stab at becoming a web developer. It is exceedingly rare in a relatively populated area that there are 'no jobs', just ones you'd prefer not to do.

> How are you expecting to find a job when you don't apply? How are you going to apply to a job if there aren't any to apply to ?

rdudek 10y ago

That really depends on the market location doesn't it? I've moved states to find jobs in the past.

logfromblammo 10y ago
So have I, but even then, I expanded my search radius in discrete steps: - 0-30 minute commute and remote for stable companies - 30-60 minute commute and remote for promising start-ups - less than 2 hour commute and remote for anybody - moving to a previously white-listed US metropolitan area - moving anywhere at all within the continental US - freelancing gigs - live on the government dole - emigrate to a Commonwealth country - emigrate to another Anglophone country - emigrate to a completely foreign culture - turn to a life of white-collar crime - "out, damned spot" - wage bloody revolution against the corporation whores - sell humanity out to the lizard people So far, I haven't ever had to progress past step 5. I'd be a little worried about folks stuck on step 7, as that's just before the slippery slope starts.
- daemin 10y ago
  Why would you prefer to live on government welfare instead of moving to another country? I can see people not wanting to if they are "settled" in an area - either by property or family - but I would think doing something productive in another country would be better than doing nothing.
  - jethro_tell 10y ago
    {S}He probably had to pay rent and or eat, or go to the doctor, or pay for internet to send out job applications. We don't stop being expensive because we are not working.
  - pdex 10y ago
    The standard of living/quality of live for the poor in the USA is better than being poor in other countries. People on the dole often have nicer shoes and accessories than I do (talk about financial priorities out of whack, but I digress)! Depending on the situation you're better off on the dole than working a low-wage job. However, In other countries being poor means no welfare, no shoes, no plumbing, no food, and no Louis Vuitton purses.
  - logfromblammo 10y ago
    I wouldn't be "doing nothing". The dole isn't always about sitting on ass and cashing checks. It's just that the things I would be doing would probably not be sufficiently remunerative to maintain a lifestyle that includes clean beds and showers.

MichaelBurge 10y ago

There's always jobs. For one, until the entire United States is a bulging mass of skyscrapers and hydroponics towers, there's always something you could buy, develop, and flip or hold.

Bartweiss 10y ago
This is true on an individual level, but I'm really wary about the sleight of hand where personal advice is used as a cure for societal problems. Sure, your unemployed nephew could hustle hard enough to find a decent job, but that's not true for everyone's unemployed nephew all at once. Criticizing people for not finding jobs or starting companies doesn't fix structural issues - it's not going to solve Spain's 25% unemployment.

cmdrfred 10y ago

If your goal is a job, there is one. It might pay minimum wage but it's there. I'm a high school drop out from two drug addicted parents that both currently live with their parents. Last time I earned minimum wage I was 15, I got a job in a kitchen washing dishes and worked my way up to sous chef over 8 years and as many restaurants. Then I taught myself some networking and PC troubleshooting and got a job in IT, then another. Now I'm working on a portfolio together and I'm going to take a stab at becoming a web developer. It is exceedingly rare in a relatively populated area that there are 'no jobs', just ones you'd prefer not to do.