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One argument for conservatism: if physicists want a commenting system, why hasn't SciRate taken off?: https://scirate.com/ https://scirate.com/ The interface i
by jessriedel 11y ago
One argument for conservatism: if physicists want a commenting system, why hasn't SciRate taken off?: https://scirate.com/ https://scirate.com/ The interface is clean, it has a lot of nice features, etc. It's gotten some traction in quantum info (my field), but the comments are rarely used. You can chalk this up to network effects (chicken-and-egg), which direct arXiv hosting could solve, but that problem can probably be eliminated by taking the minimal step of allowing the authors to link to the SciRate page from the arXiv page.
No, I think the major feature about having the arXiv host comments directly is that it would force physicists to engage with folks who comment on their paper, because otherwise there would be unanswered criticism attached ("stapled") directly to their public-facing papers. Maybe that's what we want, but that's a huge step and there are a lot of ways for it to go badly.
Here is a mockup that Paul Gisparg made for author-curated links on arXiv article pages. See the "Author suggestions" column on the right: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~ginsparg/arxiv/1212.3061-mockup.html http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~ginsparg/arxiv/1212.3061-mockup.h... Allowing links to places like SciRate plausible solves most of the chicken-or-egg problem by allowing the author to designate "the" place for public discussion without picking a particular site to win or lose, or bundling release of a paper with forced public discussion.
Shameless plug: folks here may be interested in my blog post about the future of academic papers and how the arXiv influences that: http://blog.jessriedel.com/2015/04/16/beyond-papers-gitwikxiv/ http://blog.jessriedel.com/2015/04/16/beyond-papers-gitwikxi... There was good discussion on HN last year when it was posted: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9415985 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9415985
- ap22213 11y agoI am a non-academic who reads a lot of academic papers. I love arXiv, and I probably spend too much time on there. Here's my 10-minute take on scirate (from viewing it on a mobile browser). Overall, I don't immediately see any added value. The layout and design isn't great - not on mobile at least. The main view isn't optimized for what I want to see. There's a huge navigation tree that takes up all the view space. Then, it shows me a list of ranked papers that are not of interest to me. It forces me to register to access any features. I don't see comments on any of the papers, only a Reddit-style rating. Do I have to register to see the comments? Overall, I don't think I'd ever go back. But, maybe it wasn't designed with my type of use cases in mind.
- jessriedel 11y agoThanks for the thoughts. (Hope it's clear I have no connection to SciRate.) The link to comments is directly under the Reddit-style rating, although it only appears if there actually are comments. Most papers don't have comments and you have to be logged into comment. Personally, I don't expect it to be nice on mobile and I don't want it to be effortless to comment. The amount of work it takes to make a useful academic comment dwarfs those tiny frictions.