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The article says that USA is the only developed country that didn't signed an international treaty in e-waste and points to this link: http://www.basel.int/Cou
by neves 10y ago
The article says that USA is the only developed country that didn't signed an international treaty in e-waste and points to this link:
http://www.basel.int/Countries/StatusofRatifications/PartiesSignatories/tabid/4499/Default.aspx http://www.basel.int/Countries/StatusofRatifications/Parties...
But USA is listed in the page. It has a lot of footnotes: http://www.basel.int/Countries/StatusofRatifications/PartiesSignatories/tabid/4499/Default.aspx#US16 http://www.basel.int/Countries/StatusofRatifications/Parties...
Would anyone explain in plain English what these footnotes mean, and why the original article says USA didn't ratified the treaty?
- huxley 10y agoThere's a distinction between being a signatory vs having ratified the treaty. The US is a signatory (the treaty was signed on 22 March 1990) which is why they are on the list, but it's not ratified since the US Congress has never passed legislation which would make the treaty "the law of the land" The Basel Convention joins a distinguished list of signed but unratified treaties including the Convention on Discrimination against Women (CEDAW), the Convention on the Rights of the Child, Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, and the Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty.
- dragonwriter 10y ago> The Basel Convention joins a distinguished list of signed but unratified treaties including the Convention on Discrimination against Women (CEDAW), the Convention on the Rights of the Child, Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, and the Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty. Except that the ABM Treaty was ratified in 1972; the US, under the mechanisms in the treaty, withdrew from it (terminating its effect entirely) in 2001, but that's a different issue than not ratifying it.
- danbruc 10y agoBut it is only a technical difference - you say you want to do X and sign an agreement, then you decide you don't really want to do X and you don't ratify the agreement or you ratify it and later withdraw. The outcome is the same.
- dragonwriter 10y agoThere's a considerable difference between never ratifying a treaty (in which case, it is never in force), and ratifying it, having it in force for nearly three decades, and then using the mechanism that the agreement itself provides to trigger its termination.
- danbruc 10y agoWhat is the difference with regard to the end result?
- khuey 10y agoThat the treaty applied for thirty years?
- onion2k 10y ago30 years of doing good doesn't count for very much if you then do something bad. If a 31 year old kills someone they can't use the prior 30 years of "not committing any murders" as evidence that they're actually a decent person.
- rtkwe 10y agoThe name is a bit confusing it actually just limits the defensive deployment of anti-ballistic missile bases designed to shoot down ballistic missiles it doesn't do anything to limit ballistic missiles like the name kind of implies. It wasn't really preventing anything and more just cranking up the consequences of nuclear war (could argue that that decreases the probability of it happening by taking away the ability to shield yourself effectively). ABMs situated after the boost phase were kind of pointless soon after their invention anyways because the MIRV (multiple independent reentry vehicle) warheads + decoys could easily overwhelm them.
- vacri 10y agoA history of good character is frequently used as a legal defence to reduce or eliminate punishment.
- jccalhoun 10y agoI would guess it is because of the whole thing where a treaty can be agreed to but isn't ratified unless the Senate approves it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratification#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratification#United_States
- ad_hominem 10y agoIt's not always a big deal. The USA got harumphed a lot for signing but not ratifying the Kyoto Protocol, and yet it still met its reduction goal while a whole slew of European countries and Canada missed theirs. Actions speak louder than symbolism.
- DanBC 10y agoSome of these treaties and conventions are enforced by the international community. The US agrees with the treaties, and so signs them, but disagrees with the enforcement and so does not ratify. (Rhis is just my impression! Maybe I'm totally wrong).