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Here is the post in the context of the original thread http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0008.2/0240.html http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/k

by sjf 17y ago

Here is the post in the context of the original thread http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0008.2/0240.html http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0008.2/0240.h.... There doesn't seem to be a reply from Linus.

jwecker 17y ago
No, and I don't know if he split that driver, but I like to think that Linus took the message to heart (regardless of how he felt about it). The two+ years that followed saw the arrival of a lot of "meta" structure fixes, like bitkeeper (and then git of course), etc. that address many of ESR's concerns.
- gfunk911 17y ago
  I love that Linus did what brilliant people do, which is modify the world to better fit how they want to work. I'm sure he modified his own practices somewhat, but he also modified the world by creating Git to enable his preferred workflow.
  - krakensden 17y ago
    You're forgetting history- BitKeeper, mostly. The way I heard it told, Larry McVoy sat down and showed it off to Linus, who finally said "ah yes, this is a tool and model that would improve my life." git didn't come along until Bitkeeper withdrew their support, after a prolonged series of arguments with kernel developers mad about a private company owning the code repository. I guess I'm saying you should give credit to Larry McVoy for showing the way.
ximeng 17y ago
More commentary and background at http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Torvalds/kernel_in_pain.shtml http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Torvalds/kernel_in_pain.s...
sp332 17y ago
Torvalds sort of addresses the issue, http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0008.2/0241.html http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0008.2/0241.h... "On the whole, people tend to _want_ to share, because it ends up being the easier "quick hack" in many cases. So I'm not worried about that part overmuch. I'm worried about people who share even when it doesn't make sense. And I'm worried about people having bad interfaces, which makes even sensible sharing end up as a experiment in horror. That's why I'm so un-interested in the "let's share" argument. I don't think that is where the problems are. "
- dkarl 17y ago
  His reasoning smacks of a religious/political debate: given two complementary destructive human tendencies, we should direct all our concern and condemnation at one, because the one is a seductive vice that threatens to run disastrously out of control, while the other is not so seductive and can be safely left to human judgment. See priggishness vs. debauchery, meanness vs. gullibility, paranoia vs. complacency, etc.

by sjf 17y ago

jwecker 17y ago

No, and I don't know if he split that driver, but I like to think that Linus took the message to heart (regardless of how he felt about it). The two+ years that followed saw the arrival of a lot of "meta" structure fixes, like bitkeeper (and then git of course), etc. that address many of ESR's concerns.

gfunk911 17y ago
I love that Linus did what brilliant people do, which is modify the world to better fit how they want to work. I'm sure he modified his own practices somewhat, but he also modified the world by creating Git to enable his preferred workflow.
- krakensden 17y ago
  You're forgetting history- BitKeeper, mostly. The way I heard it told, Larry McVoy sat down and showed it off to Linus, who finally said "ah yes, this is a tool and model that would improve my life." git didn't come along until Bitkeeper withdrew their support, after a prolonged series of arguments with kernel developers mad about a private company owning the code repository. I guess I'm saying you should give credit to Larry McVoy for showing the way.

ximeng 17y ago

More commentary and background at http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Torvalds/kernel_in_pain.shtml http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Torvalds/kernel_in_pain.s...

sp332 17y ago

Torvalds sort of addresses the issue, http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0008.2/0241.html http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0008.2/0241.h... "On the whole, people tend to _want_ to share, because it ends up being the easier "quick hack" in many cases. So I'm not worried about that part overmuch. I'm worried about people who share even when it doesn't make sense. And I'm worried about people having bad interfaces, which makes even sensible sharing end up as a experiment in horror. That's why I'm so un-interested in the "let's share" argument. I don't think that is where the problems are. "

dkarl 17y ago
His reasoning smacks of a religious/political debate: given two complementary destructive human tendencies, we should direct all our concern and condemnation at one, because the one is a seductive vice that threatens to run disastrously out of control, while the other is not so seductive and can be safely left to human judgment. See priggishness vs. debauchery, meanness vs. gullibility, paranoia vs. complacency, etc.