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Because, with the recent decisions re Thunderbird & Firefox, the only browsers that were designed with the intelligent and free user in mind aren't getting bett

by Endy 10y ago

Because, with the recent decisions re Thunderbird & Firefox, the only browsers that were designed with the intelligent and free user in mind aren't getting better - they're actually getting worse. Also, EFF has been running articles about DRM lately. It's not that we're only stoking the fire now... It's that they are writing about it again.

Aloha 10y ago
background?
twblalock 10y ago
> Thunderbird & Firefox, the only browsers that were designed with the intelligent and free user in mind That's not remotely close to being true.
- HalcyonicStorm 10y ago
  some examples, por favor?
  - BoysenberryPi 10y ago
    Vivaldi?
    - scholia 10y ago
      Vivaldi is (a) new; (b) based on Chromium; and (c) not actually open source. (I use both Vivaldi and Firefox, but not Chrome.) Historically, Firefox has been the main user-entered browser, but not the only one. Especially if you include forks.
      - Endy 10y ago
        Vivaldi also shares a design lineage with Opera 12 and previous, in terms of who the designers are/were. When we lost Opera, I think we lost the open web in a lot of ways. As much as Opera was a closed-source proprietary engine etc. browser, it stood out against the background of the larger Web giants. When they folded and gave in to Google, I was horrified. Still, the loss of a Community Firefox is a bad thing.
  - JetSpiegel 10y ago
    elinks?
blacksmith_tb 10y ago
As a long-time FF user I should be flattered, but it seems like a tough claim to back up. I don't see any design emphasis in Firefox on 'intelligent' users; 'free' is a little easier to believe, in the sense that the other major browsers are very tightly bound to certain OSes and/or their creators (IE/Edge on Win, Safari on OSX, Chrome on, well, lots of things). Chrome seems just as likely to appeal to the intelligent user (if their smarts run toward fast browsing), though given all its telemetry (e100.net etc.) it isn't perhaps the most free...

by Endy 10y ago

Aloha 10y ago

background?

twblalock 10y ago

> Thunderbird & Firefox, the only browsers that were designed with the intelligent and free user in mind That's not remotely close to being true.

HalcyonicStorm 10y ago
some examples, por favor?
- BoysenberryPi 10y ago
  Vivaldi?
  - scholia 10y ago
    Vivaldi is (a) new; (b) based on Chromium; and (c) not actually open source. (I use both Vivaldi and Firefox, but not Chrome.) Historically, Firefox has been the main user-entered browser, but not the only one. Especially if you include forks.
    - Endy 10y ago
      Vivaldi also shares a design lineage with Opera 12 and previous, in terms of who the designers are/were. When we lost Opera, I think we lost the open web in a lot of ways. As much as Opera was a closed-source proprietary engine etc. browser, it stood out against the background of the larger Web giants. When they folded and gave in to Google, I was horrified. Still, the loss of a Community Firefox is a bad thing.
- JetSpiegel 10y ago
  elinks?

blacksmith_tb 10y ago

As a long-time FF user I should be flattered, but it seems like a tough claim to back up. I don't see any design emphasis in Firefox on 'intelligent' users; 'free' is a little easier to believe, in the sense that the other major browsers are very tightly bound to certain OSes and/or their creators (IE/Edge on Win, Safari on OSX, Chrome on, well, lots of things). Chrome seems just as likely to appeal to the intelligent user (if their smarts run toward fast browsing), though given all its telemetry (e100.net etc.) it isn't perhaps the most free...