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It is easy to abuse the weak, and there are few weaker than criminals. They have lost their freedom, and acquired an indelible stain on their reputation that wi

It is easy to abuse the weak, and there are few weaker than criminals. They have lost their freedom, and acquired an indelible stain on their reputation that will follow them through life, considerably reducing their economic value. They are weak socially, weak economically, and (to many) weak morally. That's why this story is so important, and incredible: that one of the weakest of us fought a petty injustice, (that is in aggregate is a great injustice), and won. That's positive; but it should make us wonder what other petty injustices are being foisted on the weak. And what other policy changes are being made to weaken the targets.

jdiaz5513 11y ago
One comes immediately to mind: financial services for the poor. Check cashing, payday loans, overdraft fees, etc.. Fortunately the CFPB has been fighting in their favor but the scales are still tilted in an extreme direction. It is a social injustice that the middle-upper classes enjoy mostly free banking while the poor have to pay a significant portion of their income to access liquid cash. Disclaimer: I work for a startup that provides low-cost banking services to the poor. http://www.onefinancialholdings.com/bee/ http://www.onefinancialholdings.com/bee/
- javajosh 11y ago
  Yes, payday loans are a good example. In fact I would argue that this extends to ordinary consumers, with late fees, overdraft fees, credit card interest, and so forth. Even traffic tickets can be a form of this.
- fossuser 11y ago
  Checking out the startup you work for - seems like it offers the same services as Simple, but charges a monthly fee. Is there something I'm missing that's different? Only thing I can tell is that Bee allows two free ATM withdrawals a month.
  - jdiaz5513 11y ago
    It's not a free account, but you've basically just named two of the very few fees; this makes it significantly cheaper than a Chase Total Checking account ($12/mo for those who do not meet balance requirements, not even counting massive overdraft fees). Bee makes it (nearly) impossible to put the account into a negative balance, and has no concept of an overdraft fee. Another big win is mobile check deposit. Customers can deposit checks with instant availability for a 1% fee or use standard clearing for free; this is substantially cheaper than check cashers.
    - fossuser 11y ago
      Interesting - yeah the big differentiater seems to be that with Bee you can get instant access to your check for 1%. Simple has ATMs you can use for free which are pretty common which covers that and also has no overdraft fees (or concept of overdraft really). Simple has no monthly fee though which is a point in its favor - it also lets you do most of the same thing (lock cards, mail a check etc.).
  - DCF 11y ago
    One difference that immediately jumped out at me is with bee you can send a paper check. My landlord for instance will only take a paper check or money order and with simple it isn't possible to easily pay my rent without a fairly significant inconvenience. I'm sure many poor people are in similar situations.
    - fossuser 11y ago
      Simple allows you to mail a paper check too.
- javajosh 11y ago
  By the way, I'm glad you're working on this problem. At the end of the day, money flow is information flow, and there is no reason for the poor to be victimized the way they are.
xamolxix 11y ago
> It is easy to abuse the weak, and there are few weaker than criminals. They have lost their freedom, and acquired an indelible stain on their reputation that will follow them through life, considerably reducing their economic value. They are weak socially, weak economically, and (to many) weak morally. I agree, except you should replace "criminals" with prisoners or inmates. There is a difference, not all prison inmates are criminals and not all criminals are in prison.

jdiaz5513 11y ago

One comes immediately to mind: financial services for the poor. Check cashing, payday loans, overdraft fees, etc.. Fortunately the CFPB has been fighting in their favor but the scales are still tilted in an extreme direction. It is a social injustice that the middle-upper classes enjoy mostly free banking while the poor have to pay a significant portion of their income to access liquid cash. Disclaimer: I work for a startup that provides low-cost banking services to the poor. http://www.onefinancialholdings.com/bee/ http://www.onefinancialholdings.com/bee/

javajosh 11y ago
Yes, payday loans are a good example. In fact I would argue that this extends to ordinary consumers, with late fees, overdraft fees, credit card interest, and so forth. Even traffic tickets can be a form of this.
fossuser 11y ago
Checking out the startup you work for - seems like it offers the same services as Simple, but charges a monthly fee. Is there something I'm missing that's different? Only thing I can tell is that Bee allows two free ATM withdrawals a month.
- jdiaz5513 11y ago
  It's not a free account, but you've basically just named two of the very few fees; this makes it significantly cheaper than a Chase Total Checking account ($12/mo for those who do not meet balance requirements, not even counting massive overdraft fees). Bee makes it (nearly) impossible to put the account into a negative balance, and has no concept of an overdraft fee. Another big win is mobile check deposit. Customers can deposit checks with instant availability for a 1% fee or use standard clearing for free; this is substantially cheaper than check cashers.
  - fossuser 11y ago
    Interesting - yeah the big differentiater seems to be that with Bee you can get instant access to your check for 1%. Simple has ATMs you can use for free which are pretty common which covers that and also has no overdraft fees (or concept of overdraft really). Simple has no monthly fee though which is a point in its favor - it also lets you do most of the same thing (lock cards, mail a check etc.).
- DCF 11y ago
  One difference that immediately jumped out at me is with bee you can send a paper check. My landlord for instance will only take a paper check or money order and with simple it isn't possible to easily pay my rent without a fairly significant inconvenience. I'm sure many poor people are in similar situations.
  - fossuser 11y ago
    Simple allows you to mail a paper check too.
javajosh 11y ago
By the way, I'm glad you're working on this problem. At the end of the day, money flow is information flow, and there is no reason for the poor to be victimized the way they are.

xamolxix 11y ago

> It is easy to abuse the weak, and there are few weaker than criminals. They have lost their freedom, and acquired an indelible stain on their reputation that will follow them through life, considerably reducing their economic value. They are weak socially, weak economically, and (to many) weak morally. I agree, except you should replace "criminals" with prisoners or inmates. There is a difference, not all prison inmates are criminals and not all criminals are in prison.