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>Go: Go is utter shit that only survives due to the devs name-dropping "Google" every 5 minutes. Making blanket statements like that without any substantiation

>Go: Go is utter shit that only survives due to the devs name-dropping "Google" every 5 minutes. Making blanket statements like that without any substantiation makes me want to just write off everything else you have said.

airless_bar 10y ago
So what? If you can't tolerate an opinion I can imagine you are having a hard time on the internet. :-)
- placeybordeaux 10y ago
  It does a discredit to any other better substantiated or more reasonable opinion you have stated. For better or for worse when most people hear a new statement or opinion coming from someone they will trust it as much as they trust the least believable thing they have heard that person say.
  - airless_bar 10y ago
    This sounds like a very US-trigger-warning-safe-spacey stance. I think most people on this planet are able to consider each point at its face value.
    - dragonwriter 10y ago
      > I think most people on this planet are able to consider each point at its face value. Humans have a pretty strong demonstrated tendency to develop positive or negative emotional attachments to pretty much everything, including sources of information/arguments, and see the world strongly filtered through those. This is, while it can be misleading, an important evolved survival mechanism in terms of attention/resource management. Most people probably can, by expending effort, mitigate that to a certain extent, but that doesn't negate it completely.
      - airless_bar 10y ago
        People who can't assess statements objectively are probably exactly those people whose opinion I couldn't care less about. Perhaps this is exactly the filter I want to have.
        placeybordeaux 10y ago
        So you would not assess their other statements objectively?
        jtheory 10y ago
        A few different people are trying to politely show you a way you're undercutting yourself.
        airless_bar 10y ago
        And that's perfectly fine! I won't throw a tantrum because I might disagree (which I don't).
    - placeybordeaux 10y ago
      This is not about safe spaces, this is about basic human psychology.
lmm 10y ago
To my mind writing off Go is table stakes for having an interesting discussion about modern programming language choice - anyone who takes Go seriously is coming from a position so different from mine that it would take many pages (all of which would be rehashing of old discussions) to bridge the gap, and I honestly can't be bothered. While I would try not to be so rude about it, I think GP is right to dismiss the language without going into detailed reasons; there are any number of threads about Go that cover the case for and against already.
- geodel 10y ago
  I agree with you that they are just 2 very different language in philosophy and usage. To my mind Go is about boring technology used to make interesting and very popular products while Scala is about exploring cutting edge in PL theory. One can see most work on Scala in git commits is done either by few people at a research institute(EPFL) or at a consulting company(lightbend) whereas Go has quite varied committer profiles and there are far more committers.
  - lmm 10y ago
    > To my mind Go is about boring technology used to make interesting and very popular products while Scala is about exploring cutting edge in PL theory. I would strongly disagree with the implication that Scala isn't used to make interesting or popular products (e.g. Spark or twitter), or indeed that it's "exploring" anything "cutting-edge"; it is very much a production-quality language (backed by theory sure, but theory that's been established for decades now), and I don't see that it contains anything more novel or experimental than e.g. Go's concurrency model. It's a decent platform for doing research in, but that's mostly just a question of being a good language. > One can see most work on Scala in git commits is done either by few people at a research institute(EPFL) or at a consulting company(lightbend) whereas Go has quite varied committer profiles and there are far more committers. We're talking about a factor of 2-3 in number of committers, not that I have any idea what that number is supposed to tell anyone. Certainly Scala has substantial industrial support and a wide base of contributors.
- placeybordeaux 10y ago

airless_bar 10y ago

So what? If you can't tolerate an opinion I can imagine you are having a hard time on the internet. :-)

placeybordeaux 10y ago
It does a discredit to any other better substantiated or more reasonable opinion you have stated. For better or for worse when most people hear a new statement or opinion coming from someone they will trust it as much as they trust the least believable thing they have heard that person say.
- airless_bar 10y ago
  This sounds like a very US-trigger-warning-safe-spacey stance. I think most people on this planet are able to consider each point at its face value.
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    > I think most people on this planet are able to consider each point at its face value. Humans have a pretty strong demonstrated tendency to develop positive or negative emotional attachments to pretty much everything, including sources of information/arguments, and see the world strongly filtered through those. This is, while it can be misleading, an important evolved survival mechanism in terms of attention/resource management. Most people probably can, by expending effort, mitigate that to a certain extent, but that doesn't negate it completely.
    - airless_bar 10y ago
      People who can't assess statements objectively are probably exactly those people whose opinion I couldn't care less about. Perhaps this is exactly the filter I want to have.
      - placeybordeaux 10y ago
        So you would not assess their other statements objectively?
      - jtheory 10y ago
        A few different people are trying to politely show you a way you're undercutting yourself.
        airless_bar 10y ago
        And that's perfectly fine! I won't throw a tantrum because I might disagree (which I don't).
  - placeybordeaux 10y ago
    This is not about safe spaces, this is about basic human psychology.

lmm 10y ago

To my mind writing off Go is table stakes for having an interesting discussion about modern programming language choice - anyone who takes Go seriously is coming from a position so different from mine that it would take many pages (all of which would be rehashing of old discussions) to bridge the gap, and I honestly can't be bothered. While I would try not to be so rude about it, I think GP is right to dismiss the language without going into detailed reasons; there are any number of threads about Go that cover the case for and against already.

geodel 10y ago
I agree with you that they are just 2 very different language in philosophy and usage. To my mind Go is about boring technology used to make interesting and very popular products while Scala is about exploring cutting edge in PL theory. One can see most work on Scala in git commits is done either by few people at a research institute(EPFL) or at a consulting company(lightbend) whereas Go has quite varied committer profiles and there are far more committers.
- lmm 10y ago
  > To my mind Go is about boring technology used to make interesting and very popular products while Scala is about exploring cutting edge in PL theory. I would strongly disagree with the implication that Scala isn't used to make interesting or popular products (e.g. Spark or twitter), or indeed that it's "exploring" anything "cutting-edge"; it is very much a production-quality language (backed by theory sure, but theory that's been established for decades now), and I don't see that it contains anything more novel or experimental than e.g. Go's concurrency model. It's a decent platform for doing research in, but that's mostly just a question of being a good language. > One can see most work on Scala in git commits is done either by few people at a research institute(EPFL) or at a consulting company(lightbend) whereas Go has quite varied committer profiles and there are far more committers. We're talking about a factor of 2-3 in number of committers, not that I have any idea what that number is supposed to tell anyone. Certainly Scala has substantial industrial support and a wide base of contributors.
placeybordeaux 10y ago