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Your salary involves two parties, and you are only one of them. The other party is your employer. By stating an untrue salary, you're fraudulently claiming that

Your salary involves two parties, and you are only one of them. The other party is your employer. By stating an untrue salary, you're fraudulently claiming that your current or previous employer (usually known to your negotiating counterparty) agreed to pay you the stated amount. It's somewhat like lying about a credential.

artmageddon 10y ago
Why is the business of the new employer to know how much I was making at my previous position? If they would agree to pay me for my skillset alone, that'd be one thing, but otherwise they'll simply use the information from my previous position to give me a de facto raise. Two can play at that game. Also, I could be wrong but I don't think a new employer will contact a previous employer to specifically learn how much a particular individual was earning.
- DanBC 10y ago
  If it's not their business you should just not tell them, but instead tell them what you're looking for. But don't lie to them, especially if they're going to pay you more because of that lie.
- jeff_tyrrill 10y ago
  > Why is the business of the new employer to know how much I was making at my previous position? This isn't the question that I answered. It was asked how stating a specific, untrue salary might be fraud. Refusing to answer and giving an untrue number are different. > Also, I could be wrong but I don't think a new employer will contact a previous employer to specifically learn how much a particular individual was earning. Lying doesn't mean you'll get caught. Also, be careful. For example, during a background check for one my jobs (a rather "ordinary" one), they said they couldn't verify one of my previous employers, and asked if I could send them proof. I sent W2s for both years I was employed and my offer letter, which satisfied them. Maybe some would feel that's too remote a risk to worry about, but it's not out of the question.
gorbachev 10y ago
There is no legal obligation for you to be truthful when asked that question. You're not entering into a contract of any kind at that point. The salary negotiation is a completely separate event.

artmageddon 10y ago

Why is the business of the new employer to know how much I was making at my previous position? If they would agree to pay me for my skillset alone, that'd be one thing, but otherwise they'll simply use the information from my previous position to give me a de facto raise. Two can play at that game. Also, I could be wrong but I don't think a new employer will contact a previous employer to specifically learn how much a particular individual was earning.

DanBC 10y ago
If it's not their business you should just not tell them, but instead tell them what you're looking for. But don't lie to them, especially if they're going to pay you more because of that lie.
jeff_tyrrill 10y ago
> Why is the business of the new employer to know how much I was making at my previous position? This isn't the question that I answered. It was asked how stating a specific, untrue salary might be fraud. Refusing to answer and giving an untrue number are different. > Also, I could be wrong but I don't think a new employer will contact a previous employer to specifically learn how much a particular individual was earning. Lying doesn't mean you'll get caught. Also, be careful. For example, during a background check for one my jobs (a rather "ordinary" one), they said they couldn't verify one of my previous employers, and asked if I could send them proof. I sent W2s for both years I was employed and my offer letter, which satisfied them. Maybe some would feel that's too remote a risk to worry about, but it's not out of the question.

gorbachev 10y ago

There is no legal obligation for you to be truthful when asked that question. You're not entering into a contract of any kind at that point. The salary negotiation is a completely separate event.