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Just replying to one for all of the above: Zika symptoms has nothing to do with Dengue, it's really awful, the person cannot even walk right, the person stays b

by ramon 10y ago

Just replying to one for all of the above: Zika symptoms has nothing to do with Dengue, it's really awful, the person cannot even walk right, the person stays bad in bed then they get better slowly, it's a lot different from Dengue, but also depends because there's a type 3 of Dengue which is almost the same as Zika.

detaro 10y ago
Both of the linked sources talk explicitly about Zika and not Dengue. What is the source/basis for your claim that they are wrong?
- ramon 10y ago
  @detaro I live in Rio and I have fellows who have had Dengue and Zika, there's no research paper, it's real life.
  - ceejayoz 10y ago
    You're completely missing the point. Peer-reviewed research (http://journals.plos.org/plosntds/article?id=10.1371/journal.pntd.0004530 http://journals.plos.org/plosntds/article?id=10.1371/journal...) states that "80% being clinically asymptomatic during initial infection". For the 20% of symptomatic people, the WHO lists (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/zika/en/ http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/zika/en/) similar symptoms to cold/flu, symptoms you wouldn't necessarily assume are Zika symptoms. Your friends you know have had Zika are symptomatic. You may have plenty of friends (not to mention yourself) in the much larger asymptomatic bucket. The "I don't think all the experts are right because anecdotes" attitude just makes you look silly.
    - ramon 10y ago
      @ceejayoz If you think I look silly you may laugh no problem. But just having a bunch of Google searches and putting that all together to make your thesis is not the right way to go. What I'm saying is what they're affirming in a national government website is an incorrect statement rather then saying that the experts are wrong, don't miss understand my words. Best Regards,
solipsism 10y ago
More facts from http://www.cdc.gov/zika/symptoms/ http://www.cdc.gov/zika/symptoms/ * Most people infected with Zika virus won’t even know they have the disease because they won’t have symptoms. * The illness is usually mild with symptoms lasting for several days to a week. * People usually don’t get sick enough to go to the hospital You believe your friends had Zika. bit they may not have. Given the Zika epidemic, I wouldn't be surprised if lots of sick people assumed they had Zika but in fact had something else. And, even if they had Zika, your anecdote does not trump what the CDC and WHO tell us.
- ramon 10y ago
  @solipsism If you think the site is your best source rather than taking people's word for it, take it and don't discuss with other people in the forums. I'm reaffirming that the statement is incorrect and they should travel down to Brazil to understand this matter better. I don't believe it, it was clinically tested with a diagnosis from the blood plus doctor in private hospital. That's how people get to know about it, not by word of mouth or looking up in Google.
  - solipsism 10y ago
    It's not the site. It's the CDC. I can guarantee Brazil considers the CDC an excellent source as well. I'm reaffirming that the statement is incorrect and they should travel down to Brazil to understand this matter If you think the CDC and the WHO are not in Brazil, you're mistaken. But let's pretend you're right that CDC doesn't know what they're talking about. How about the Ministério da Saúde? http://portalsaude.saude.gov.br/index.php/descricao-da-doenca-zika http://portalsaude.saude.gov.br/index.php/descricao-da-doenc... A febre por vírus Zika é descrita como uma doença febril aguda, autolimitada, com duração de 3-7 dias, geralmente sem complicações graves e não há registro de mortes Translation: Fever by Zika virus is described as an acute febrile illness, self-limited, lasting 3-7 days, usually without serious complications and there is no record of deaths. The hospitalization rate is potentially low. Segundo a literatura, mais de 80% das pessoas infectadas não desenvolvem manifestações clínicas Translation: According to the literature, over 80% of infected people do not develop clinical manifestations This seems to back up very well ceejayoz's original comment, which you disagreed with: pointed out these diseases can often present as a mild cold, for which you'd never go to the hospital. You may well have gotten them without really noticing So, presumably you don't think the Ministério da Saúde also have to travel to Brazil to know what they're talking about? There's also all kinds of information on portalsaude.saude.gov.br referencing the CDC, the WHO, and describing the fact that the CDC has been in Brazil for months conducting research and field investigations.

by ramon 10y ago

detaro 10y ago

Both of the linked sources talk explicitly about Zika and not Dengue. What is the source/basis for your claim that they are wrong?

ramon 10y ago
@detaro I live in Rio and I have fellows who have had Dengue and Zika, there's no research paper, it's real life.
- ceejayoz 10y ago
  You're completely missing the point. Peer-reviewed research (http://journals.plos.org/plosntds/article?id=10.1371/journal.pntd.0004530 http://journals.plos.org/plosntds/article?id=10.1371/journal...) states that "80% being clinically asymptomatic during initial infection". For the 20% of symptomatic people, the WHO lists (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/zika/en/ http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/zika/en/) similar symptoms to cold/flu, symptoms you wouldn't necessarily assume are Zika symptoms. Your friends you know have had Zika are symptomatic. You may have plenty of friends (not to mention yourself) in the much larger asymptomatic bucket. The "I don't think all the experts are right because anecdotes" attitude just makes you look silly.
  - ramon 10y ago
    @ceejayoz If you think I look silly you may laugh no problem. But just having a bunch of Google searches and putting that all together to make your thesis is not the right way to go. What I'm saying is what they're affirming in a national government website is an incorrect statement rather then saying that the experts are wrong, don't miss understand my words. Best Regards,

solipsism 10y ago

More facts from http://www.cdc.gov/zika/symptoms/ http://www.cdc.gov/zika/symptoms/ * Most people infected with Zika virus won’t even know they have the disease because they won’t have symptoms. * The illness is usually mild with symptoms lasting for several days to a week. * People usually don’t get sick enough to go to the hospital You believe your friends had Zika. bit they may not have. Given the Zika epidemic, I wouldn't be surprised if lots of sick people assumed they had Zika but in fact had something else. And, even if they had Zika, your anecdote does not trump what the CDC and WHO tell us.

ramon 10y ago
@solipsism If you think the site is your best source rather than taking people's word for it, take it and don't discuss with other people in the forums. I'm reaffirming that the statement is incorrect and they should travel down to Brazil to understand this matter better. I don't believe it, it was clinically tested with a diagnosis from the blood plus doctor in private hospital. That's how people get to know about it, not by word of mouth or looking up in Google.
- solipsism 10y ago
  It's not the site. It's the CDC. I can guarantee Brazil considers the CDC an excellent source as well. I'm reaffirming that the statement is incorrect and they should travel down to Brazil to understand this matter If you think the CDC and the WHO are not in Brazil, you're mistaken. But let's pretend you're right that CDC doesn't know what they're talking about. How about the Ministério da Saúde? http://portalsaude.saude.gov.br/index.php/descricao-da-doenca-zika http://portalsaude.saude.gov.br/index.php/descricao-da-doenc... A febre por vírus Zika é descrita como uma doença febril aguda, autolimitada, com duração de 3-7 dias, geralmente sem complicações graves e não há registro de mortes Translation: Fever by Zika virus is described as an acute febrile illness, self-limited, lasting 3-7 days, usually without serious complications and there is no record of deaths. The hospitalization rate is potentially low. Segundo a literatura, mais de 80% das pessoas infectadas não desenvolvem manifestações clínicas Translation: According to the literature, over 80% of infected people do not develop clinical manifestations This seems to back up very well ceejayoz's original comment, which you disagreed with: pointed out these diseases can often present as a mild cold, for which you'd never go to the hospital. You may well have gotten them without really noticing So, presumably you don't think the Ministério da Saúde also have to travel to Brazil to know what they're talking about? There's also all kinds of information on portalsaude.saude.gov.br referencing the CDC, the WHO, and describing the fact that the CDC has been in Brazil for months conducting research and field investigations.