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> Something egregious like this (sexual harassment) definitely warrants an immediate termination. Why should one incident that occurred outside of work, warran

> Something egregious like this (sexual harassment) definitely warrants an immediate termination. Why should one incident that occurred outside of work, warrant termination? Are our private lives subject to the scrutiny of our employer? Is it sexual harassment if the victim doesn't actually feel harassed?

tptacek 11y ago
Yes, if your private life involves making unwelcome and rude sexual advances to other employees, it warrants immediate termination. Employees who do this present a grave risk to the company in terms of legal expense, PR, and recruiting.
- balls187 11y ago
  Generally, I agree with what your statement. If you sexually harass others in your personal life, and your employer finds out about it, it's prudent to manage them out. In this case, the employee handled the unwanted advances herself, and later told the OP about it. It's not clear if the female employee felt that it was "rude sexual advance" since to her it was "no big deal." From the EEOC: > Although the law doesn’t prohibit simple teasing, offhand comments, or isolated incidents that are not very serious, harassment is illegal when it is so frequent or severe that it creates a hostile or offensive work environment or when it results in an adverse employment decision (such as the victim being fired or demoted).
  - tptacek 11y ago
    It's not about how this employee feels about the advance. It's about how the next one will.
    - balls187 11y ago
      That's a pretty broad assumption your making. If there is a next employee who is harassed, he/she can file the complaint, and the company can deal with it then. As it stands, no company policy was violated, and the female employee doesn't think this is an issue. This is a single incident, that again occurred during the weekend, and over Whatsapp (both parties consenting to share numbers).

tptacek 11y ago

Yes, if your private life involves making unwelcome and rude sexual advances to other employees, it warrants immediate termination. Employees who do this present a grave risk to the company in terms of legal expense, PR, and recruiting.

balls187 11y ago
Generally, I agree with what your statement. If you sexually harass others in your personal life, and your employer finds out about it, it's prudent to manage them out. In this case, the employee handled the unwanted advances herself, and later told the OP about it. It's not clear if the female employee felt that it was "rude sexual advance" since to her it was "no big deal." From the EEOC: > Although the law doesn’t prohibit simple teasing, offhand comments, or isolated incidents that are not very serious, harassment is illegal when it is so frequent or severe that it creates a hostile or offensive work environment or when it results in an adverse employment decision (such as the victim being fired or demoted).
- tptacek 11y ago
  It's not about how this employee feels about the advance. It's about how the next one will.
  - balls187 11y ago
    That's a pretty broad assumption your making. If there is a next employee who is harassed, he/she can file the complaint, and the company can deal with it then. As it stands, no company policy was violated, and the female employee doesn't think this is an issue. This is a single incident, that again occurred during the weekend, and over Whatsapp (both parties consenting to share numbers).