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> You may publish anywhere, but you must also publish it for free to the academic community. Is this possible? When publishing in a journal, I think you transf

> You may publish anywhere, but you must also publish it for free to the academic community. Is this possible? When publishing in a journal, I think you transfer your copyright to them; thereby preventing you from publishing the article any other way. Although as far as I know many journals allow a "pre-print version" to be published by the authors on their personal website.

arcanus 10y ago
> When publishing in a journal, I think you transfer your copyright to them That is correct. I have done this for every publication I've ever put out (O(10)). There may be exceptions but this is certainly the dominant paradigm in the physical sciences. My two cents: this is bigger than any University. It will require a government funding agency (likely, NIH or NSF) to take a stand vis a vi the public availability of research produced by public funding.
- mnw21cam 10y ago
  Since a few years ago, any EU or UK public funded research (which is most university research) must be published as open-access. It is a requirement of the funding. So this is already happening. However, it will need to be done by a greater proportion of the world to be effective. The only problem is that the method of open access publishing is usually to pay a few grand to the publisher for the privilege.
  - return0 10y ago
    That can be a lot of money. E.g. elsevier charges $5000 / article : http://www.cell.com/rights-sharing-embargoes http://www.cell.com/rights-sharing-embargoes And that is money that should be going to research.
    - semi-extrinsic 10y ago
      I completely agree. I've said it before, pay-for open access (aka. "gold open access") needs to go die in a fire.
    - mandor 10y ago
      The actual rule for European grant (H2020) is "either publish in open-access or put the paper on arxiv or similar archives". We can still publish in non-open access journals provided that we put the paper on an open access repository.
  - xioxox 10y ago
    Are you sure? I think it's only funders like Wellcome that require open access. My UK collaborators (in physical sciences) don't publish in open access journals.
    - genericpseudo 10y ago
      Do they self-archive? That was common practice back when I was an active researcher (early to mid 2000s).
    - mnw21cam 10y ago
      Wellcome has required it for a while. Any papers you plan to use in the Research Excellence Framework for 2020 (for those not acquainted, an exercise every few years where UK universities get to say "look how good we are, we published this many papers, please keep funding us") must be available as open access. It isn't necessary for these papers to have gone the gold open access route (where you pay a *!&^%-ton to the publisher), so you could instead upload the non-published version to a preprint server (which is a lot cheaper).
- untilHellbanned 10y ago
  Agree completely. The government needs to act. As a professor in molecular biology I would be happy with the banning of publishing in for-profit journals.
  - dnautics 10y ago
    It's not the for profit part that's the problem. It's the closed access part that is. Afaik, AAAS and ACS run science and all the chemistry journals respectively and they're both nonprofits with frustrating paywalls. conversely if a for profit could effectively monetize a 100% open access journal, it would be totally fine.
- notahacker 10y ago
  The standard acceptable practice, at least in social sciences, is to publish the working paper. It'll be subtly different since it's pre peer-review and if you're an academic publishing your own paper you'll be expected to cite the full journal verson. But for the average person that wants to read the paper but doesn't have access to the journal, the working paper is more than adequate.
- Fomite 10y ago
  The NIH has already done so, as noted in another comment - there's a brief period under which NIH funded work isn't open access, but then it needs to be available. Additionally, many copyright transfer agreements expressly allow an institutional archival system.
- genericpseudo 10y ago
  One of the big drivers in the biological sciences has been non-governmental funding mandating OA, notably the Gates and Wellcome Trusts. Everyone in the physical sciences uses arXiv.
semi-extrinsic 10y ago
This is already a requirement from several government funding agencies, for instance from NIH: https://publicaccess.nih.gov https://publicaccess.nih.gov This is based on the 2009 Omnibus Appropriations Act (which specifies NIH funded research). What would be nice is if this type of act would be passed for all govt. funding agencies.
scott_s 10y ago
In the computer science world, two of the biggest publishers are the ACM and IEEE professional societies. They both allow authors to post a version on their own webpage (http://www.acm.org/publications/policies/copyright_policy http://www.acm.org/publications/policies/copyright_policy, https://www.ieee.org/publications_standards/publications/rights/authorrightsresponsibilities.html https://www.ieee.org/publications_standards/publications/rig...). I think this situation is a result of the fact that conferences, not journals, are where CS academics target their latest work. Since the conferences are organized by the professional societies, the professional societies became the biggest publisher. I think this is a good thing, as the professional societies are non-profit organizations that exist for the benefit of their members, and society in general. I hope that they will eventually make their entire digital libraries open. There are CS journals, but even there the ACM and IEEE are big players.
jonathankoren 10y ago
If you transfer copyright at all, you typically only transfer it to the ACM, not Springer. Springer is just a contractor running a website and occasionally printing up phone books of papers that no one reads, and USB drives of PDFs people use for the week of the conference. See http://www.acm.org/publications/policies/copyright_policy http://www.acm.org/publications/policies/copyright_policy
- scott_s 10y ago
  You're assuming the field of computer science, but Springer has journals for many disciplines.
EdHominem 10y ago
There's no such thing as automatic assignment of copyright to a published. However, there are many bad contracts that come with this nonsense. You (as a presumed grad student) are the value in the system. If you give the journals your output don't be surprised that they build walls to protect it - they're useless without you and they know it. They'll allow whatever they have to, and nothing else.
greglindahl 10y ago
Note that the Internet Archive Wayback Machine has a pretty good archive of these "personal website" preprints. We're working on making it more easily available, matched up with article DOIs.

arcanus 10y ago

> When publishing in a journal, I think you transfer your copyright to them That is correct. I have done this for every publication I've ever put out (O(10)). There may be exceptions but this is certainly the dominant paradigm in the physical sciences. My two cents: this is bigger than any University. It will require a government funding agency (likely, NIH or NSF) to take a stand vis a vi the public availability of research produced by public funding.

mnw21cam 10y ago
Since a few years ago, any EU or UK public funded research (which is most university research) must be published as open-access. It is a requirement of the funding. So this is already happening. However, it will need to be done by a greater proportion of the world to be effective. The only problem is that the method of open access publishing is usually to pay a few grand to the publisher for the privilege.
- return0 10y ago
  That can be a lot of money. E.g. elsevier charges $5000 / article : http://www.cell.com/rights-sharing-embargoes http://www.cell.com/rights-sharing-embargoes And that is money that should be going to research.
  - semi-extrinsic 10y ago
    I completely agree. I've said it before, pay-for open access (aka. "gold open access") needs to go die in a fire.
  - mandor 10y ago
    The actual rule for European grant (H2020) is "either publish in open-access or put the paper on arxiv or similar archives". We can still publish in non-open access journals provided that we put the paper on an open access repository.
- xioxox 10y ago
  Are you sure? I think it's only funders like Wellcome that require open access. My UK collaborators (in physical sciences) don't publish in open access journals.
  - genericpseudo 10y ago
    Do they self-archive? That was common practice back when I was an active researcher (early to mid 2000s).
  - mnw21cam 10y ago
    Wellcome has required it for a while. Any papers you plan to use in the Research Excellence Framework for 2020 (for those not acquainted, an exercise every few years where UK universities get to say "look how good we are, we published this many papers, please keep funding us") must be available as open access. It isn't necessary for these papers to have gone the gold open access route (where you pay a *!&^%-ton to the publisher), so you could instead upload the non-published version to a preprint server (which is a lot cheaper).
untilHellbanned 10y ago
Agree completely. The government needs to act. As a professor in molecular biology I would be happy with the banning of publishing in for-profit journals.
- dnautics 10y ago
  It's not the for profit part that's the problem. It's the closed access part that is. Afaik, AAAS and ACS run science and all the chemistry journals respectively and they're both nonprofits with frustrating paywalls. conversely if a for profit could effectively monetize a 100% open access journal, it would be totally fine.
notahacker 10y ago
The standard acceptable practice, at least in social sciences, is to publish the working paper. It'll be subtly different since it's pre peer-review and if you're an academic publishing your own paper you'll be expected to cite the full journal verson. But for the average person that wants to read the paper but doesn't have access to the journal, the working paper is more than adequate.
Fomite 10y ago
The NIH has already done so, as noted in another comment - there's a brief period under which NIH funded work isn't open access, but then it needs to be available. Additionally, many copyright transfer agreements expressly allow an institutional archival system.
genericpseudo 10y ago
One of the big drivers in the biological sciences has been non-governmental funding mandating OA, notably the Gates and Wellcome Trusts. Everyone in the physical sciences uses arXiv.

semi-extrinsic 10y ago

This is already a requirement from several government funding agencies, for instance from NIH: https://publicaccess.nih.gov https://publicaccess.nih.gov This is based on the 2009 Omnibus Appropriations Act (which specifies NIH funded research). What would be nice is if this type of act would be passed for all govt. funding agencies.

scott_s 10y ago

In the computer science world, two of the biggest publishers are the ACM and IEEE professional societies. They both allow authors to post a version on their own webpage (http://www.acm.org/publications/policies/copyright_policy http://www.acm.org/publications/policies/copyright_policy, https://www.ieee.org/publications_standards/publications/rights/authorrightsresponsibilities.html https://www.ieee.org/publications_standards/publications/rig...). I think this situation is a result of the fact that conferences, not journals, are where CS academics target their latest work. Since the conferences are organized by the professional societies, the professional societies became the biggest publisher. I think this is a good thing, as the professional societies are non-profit organizations that exist for the benefit of their members, and society in general. I hope that they will eventually make their entire digital libraries open. There are CS journals, but even there the ACM and IEEE are big players.

jonathankoren 10y ago

If you transfer copyright at all, you typically only transfer it to the ACM, not Springer. Springer is just a contractor running a website and occasionally printing up phone books of papers that no one reads, and USB drives of PDFs people use for the week of the conference. See http://www.acm.org/publications/policies/copyright_policy http://www.acm.org/publications/policies/copyright_policy

scott_s 10y ago
You're assuming the field of computer science, but Springer has journals for many disciplines.

EdHominem 10y ago

There's no such thing as automatic assignment of copyright to a published. However, there are many bad contracts that come with this nonsense. You (as a presumed grad student) are the value in the system. If you give the journals your output don't be surprised that they build walls to protect it - they're useless without you and they know it. They'll allow whatever they have to, and nothing else.

greglindahl 10y ago

Note that the Internet Archive Wayback Machine has a pretty good archive of these "personal website" preprints. We're working on making it more easily available, matched up with article DOIs.