I know, right! However I've shipped a Rails application that's started from a zip file I begged off DHH before Rails was even publicly available, and maintaine

I know, right! However I've shipped a Rails application that's started from a zip file I begged off DHH before Rails was even publicly available, and maintained it for years. I've used Django for a real app within a month or two of the first available Django release, and maintained to this day. Etc. .NET Core goes beyond bleeding edge to point at which you start to wonder in your more crazed hours if it's actually just a parody of a poorly developed node.js library.