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I find it interesting that so many people here are unhappy with the change. Sure, prices will go up for a lot of organizations, but is $9/worker/month really a

by biztos 10y ago

I find it interesting that so many people here are unhappy with the change. Sure, prices will go up for a lot of organizations, but is $9/worker/month really a lot to pay for all the stuff GitHub offers? At Bay Area prices isn't that about 5 minutes of developer pay per month? For independent use it seems like a very positive change, in fact I'm guessing it's a direct challenge to GitLab. I was considering moving my stuff to GitLab simply because I'm tired of bundling experiments/prototypes into umbrella repos just to stay under the 10 repo limit at GitHub. For people like me this will be awesome, and I take it as a good sign that they're responding to the competition. One thing I don't get however: how do they count shared access to private repos? If I have a private repo and you have a private repo, and we each grant access to the other's repo so we can collaborate, do we now have two or four billing units? They say "you can even invite a few collaborators" -- but how are you billed if it's more than a "few?" I don't mind if they try to close the loophole of making up an "organization" out of a lot of "individual developers" but it seems a little vague.

Xylakant 10y ago
> If I have a private repo and you have a private repo, and we each grant access to the other's repo so we can collaborate, do we now have two or four billing units? 4. Each of you has 2. One for yourself and one for the collaborator. Which answers the question of why some people are unhappy with the change: it punishes organizations that collaborate a lot.
- zymhan 10y ago
  > it punishes organizations that collaborate a lot. Then shouldn't they be using the organizational plan?
  - Xylakant 10y ago
    Yes, and that one charges per collaborator, not per user of the org.
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krstck 10y ago
> At Bay Area prices isn't that about 5 minutes of developer pay per month? I work for an academic nonprofit. Asking to spend any money is like pulling teeth, and any purchase I make has to go through many layers of bureaucracy who don't understand or care what I do and have no incentive to make my life easier. I don't want to leave Github, but now I have to, because I just won't get the approval to spend hundreds a year. But I know that's nothing to Bay Area companies, so the rest of us will just go kick rocks or something.
- threatofrain 10y ago
  Are you guys going through the nonprofit or the academics pricing?
  - krstck 10y ago
    Their nonprofit accounts are designed for "nonacademic" orgs. If there's an account type that's applicable to university research (not just students) then I'd be thrilled.
    - WillAbides 10y ago
      Check the bottom of this page [0] and prepare to be thrilled. [0] https://education.github.com/ https://education.github.com/
      - stonedge 10y ago
        This is only for the teaching/student aspect of academia. There's the whole business side of academia which is still a non-profit, still doesn't have any money, but for which the academic stuff doesn't apply.
        stevenbedrick 10y ago
        Very well-put. Furthermore, Github's "Education" site doesn't actually say _what_ the acadmic pricing plans are like, just that you can "ask for a discount".
eightbit 10y ago
> but is $9/worker/month really a lot to pay for all the stuff GitHub offers? You make it sound like they're curing cancer. What does GitHub really offer above and beyond the other providers? As an example, their PR reviewing systems sucks balls. It chokes on larger PRs (250 files!? Really?). Also, with files which have been essentially replaced, the diff can become so large that GitHub won't even show it, and since you can only add comments on PRs, you're sunk. I have to resort to sending around emails with code lines and comments on them. GitHub is amateur hour. Their half-assed implementations of almost every piece of their functionality reminds me of the same BS Apple does on iOS.
- leonroy 10y ago
  Curious what you think of GitLab and Bitbucket?
- biztos 10y ago
  I'd definitely pay more than $9 for a cure to cancer. But since I also make my living writing software, I don't think it's wrong to charge a fair price for it. If you think they're doing such a bad job, you can always use the competition. As with iOS.
vthallam 10y ago
But you do know that it's not bay area only right? Millions of people outside US use it and the price difference is a lot to bear for some of them.
- biztos 10y ago
  Yes, of course. I'm in Europe myself. However if you're a company trying to make money I see $9/mo as a fair price for what GitHub offers, pretty much anywhere. And if it's really a lot of money then there is plenty of free software that can solve the same set of problems, you just have to install/configure/maintain/modify it yourself. Which should be a reasonable option if $9/person/month is a lot of money where you are. (I get that for some people obtaining the $9 is difficult because they work for highly dysfunctional organizations, but that still doesn't make it an unreasonable fee.)
romanovcode 10y ago
>At Bay Area prices isn't that about 5 minutes of developer pay per month? Do you seriously believe that programmers everywhere in the world are making the same money as ones at Bay Area?
- biztos 10y ago
  No. I myself do not. But it seemed like a relevant metric on this forum.
ShakataGaNai 10y ago
Out of morbid curiosity I switched ones of my orgs over to the new billing scheme. I have 4 users in the org team, and 1 external contributor (a client who has access). I am being billed for 5 seats. So yes, if you invite external contributors to a single repo (Say a consultant with clients). You will pay for each and every account you invite. Gitlab it is!
cortesoft 10y ago
From what I read, as long as you don't mind giving your collaborators full access, you can have as many as you want on your private repo. If you want to grant limited access (say, read but not write), then you have to use an org.

by biztos 10y ago

Xylakant 10y ago

> If I have a private repo and you have a private repo, and we each grant access to the other's repo so we can collaborate, do we now have two or four billing units? 4. Each of you has 2. One for yourself and one for the collaborator. Which answers the question of why some people are unhappy with the change: it punishes organizations that collaborate a lot.

zymhan 10y ago
> it punishes organizations that collaborate a lot. Then shouldn't they be using the organizational plan?
- Xylakant 10y ago
  Yes, and that one charges per collaborator, not per user of the org.

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krstck 10y ago

> At Bay Area prices isn't that about 5 minutes of developer pay per month? I work for an academic nonprofit. Asking to spend any money is like pulling teeth, and any purchase I make has to go through many layers of bureaucracy who don't understand or care what I do and have no incentive to make my life easier. I don't want to leave Github, but now I have to, because I just won't get the approval to spend hundreds a year. But I know that's nothing to Bay Area companies, so the rest of us will just go kick rocks or something.

threatofrain 10y ago
Are you guys going through the nonprofit or the academics pricing?
- krstck 10y ago
  Their nonprofit accounts are designed for "nonacademic" orgs. If there's an account type that's applicable to university research (not just students) then I'd be thrilled.
  - WillAbides 10y ago
    Check the bottom of this page [0] and prepare to be thrilled. [0] https://education.github.com/ https://education.github.com/
    - stonedge 10y ago
      This is only for the teaching/student aspect of academia. There's the whole business side of academia which is still a non-profit, still doesn't have any money, but for which the academic stuff doesn't apply.
      - stevenbedrick 10y ago
        Very well-put. Furthermore, Github's "Education" site doesn't actually say _what_ the acadmic pricing plans are like, just that you can "ask for a discount".

eightbit 10y ago

> but is $9/worker/month really a lot to pay for all the stuff GitHub offers? You make it sound like they're curing cancer. What does GitHub really offer above and beyond the other providers? As an example, their PR reviewing systems sucks balls. It chokes on larger PRs (250 files!? Really?). Also, with files which have been essentially replaced, the diff can become so large that GitHub won't even show it, and since you can only add comments on PRs, you're sunk. I have to resort to sending around emails with code lines and comments on them. GitHub is amateur hour. Their half-assed implementations of almost every piece of their functionality reminds me of the same BS Apple does on iOS.

leonroy 10y ago
Curious what you think of GitLab and Bitbucket?
biztos 10y ago
I'd definitely pay more than $9 for a cure to cancer. But since I also make my living writing software, I don't think it's wrong to charge a fair price for it. If you think they're doing such a bad job, you can always use the competition. As with iOS.

vthallam 10y ago

But you do know that it's not bay area only right? Millions of people outside US use it and the price difference is a lot to bear for some of them.

biztos 10y ago
Yes, of course. I'm in Europe myself. However if you're a company trying to make money I see $9/mo as a fair price for what GitHub offers, pretty much anywhere. And if it's really a lot of money then there is plenty of free software that can solve the same set of problems, you just have to install/configure/maintain/modify it yourself. Which should be a reasonable option if $9/person/month is a lot of money where you are. (I get that for some people obtaining the $9 is difficult because they work for highly dysfunctional organizations, but that still doesn't make it an unreasonable fee.)

romanovcode 10y ago

>At Bay Area prices isn't that about 5 minutes of developer pay per month? Do you seriously believe that programmers everywhere in the world are making the same money as ones at Bay Area?

biztos 10y ago
No. I myself do not. But it seemed like a relevant metric on this forum.

ShakataGaNai 10y ago

Out of morbid curiosity I switched ones of my orgs over to the new billing scheme. I have 4 users in the org team, and 1 external contributor (a client who has access). I am being billed for 5 seats. So yes, if you invite external contributors to a single repo (Say a consultant with clients). You will pay for each and every account you invite. Gitlab it is!

cortesoft 10y ago

From what I read, as long as you don't mind giving your collaborators full access, you can have as many as you want on your private repo. If you want to grant limited access (say, read but not write), then you have to use an org.