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Bitbucket is terrible though, so what does it matter?

by teen 10y ago

TAForObvReasons 10y ago
Can you clarify? Why is Bitbucket "terrible"?
- me_bx 10y ago
  He probably means in terms of general usability. This is the reason why I don't use bitbucket at all, and I'm happy to give some money to github in exchange for their service. Bitbucket's issue tracker is such a pain to work with. I remember being redirected to a new page whenever I had to create a new tag. Then I'd loose the content of the issue I had started to write, something like that.
  - therealmarv 10y ago
    you are doing it wrong. If you want issue management you will buy Jira from the same company which is superior to github. Bitbucket is one tool of many for Atlassian.
    - WorldMaker 10y ago
      Isn't that the problem, though? GitHub has one Issue tracker that is "good enough" for most projects I've worked on, and gets better over time because GitHub dog foods it (even if they don't always see some of the large open projects issues with it). Bitbucket has two Issue trackers, a "sort of useful" minimalist one that is worse than GitHub's and an upsell to Jira which is maximalist overkill for any project I've worked on. Atlassian doesn't have much incentive to make Bitbucket's issue tracker any better than it's current "almost decent" because it wants to upsell Jira. You can pretty much assume that Atlassian only works in Jira themselves. (Similarly, VS Team Services has only one issue tracker and I'd rather use that than both of Atlassian's offerings, even though it's almost equally maximalist with Jira, mostly because they clearly dog food it and don't try to upsell into it from a worse system that nobody wants to use.)
      - therealmarv 10y ago
        I've never said I'm a fan of Jira. I also think it is overkill for all the little projects I've been working on. As other mentioned before here: Maybe look into gitlab.com ... they dogfood their project and the bugtracker is pretty good. https://about.gitlab.com/2016/05/11/git-repository-pricing/ https://about.gitlab.com/2016/05/11/git-repository-pricing/
  - vacri 10y ago
    I've found github better for open source projects, and bitbucket better for businesses. Github only just recently introduced the idea that one 'deploy key' could be used on more than one repo(!), for example, not to mention that deploy keys had full write access. User management - more important for a business - is much nicer on BitBucket, and was the specific reason why we shifted. And it will continue to be nicer, until they infect BitBucket with the same user management mess that blights Jira/Confluence. :)
- sarabob 10y ago
  A lack of search across a repo is pretty annoying. https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issues/2874/ability-to-search-source-code-bb-39 https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issues/2874/ability-to-sea... Integration with Jira is nice though.
- shadowmint 10y ago
  Dunno, we've had downtime every month for months. Its slow as heck. The UI is clunky. The 'projects' made it hard to find anything and broke bookmarks. ... but the downtime is the killer. Last week was the last one.
- therealmarv 10y ago
  Bitbucket is ok for private repos. I think private repos are relatively secure there because Atlassian has much of reputation to loose if there is a security breach. Another plus for Bitbucket is the integration with Jira and other Atlassians tools. Beside that plus points I will rather go to GitLab.com (more features, better UI and integration with 3rd party) but my trust in private repos is lower there than on Bitbucket. I wished we could measure security somehow for private repos between Bitbucket, GitHub and Gitlab.com
  - sytse 10y ago
    How could we convince you that at GitLab we take security very seriously?
    - etjossem 10y ago
      Creating a Security page on the site to explain your infosec policies would go a long way. I like that we're able to view previous disclosures [1] and active security issues [2], but I had to dig a bit to find them. Surface those. [1] https://about.gitlab.com/vulnerability-acknowledgements/ https://about.gitlab.com/vulnerability-acknowledgements/ [2] https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues?label_name%5B%5D=security https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues?label_name%5B...
      - sytse 10y ago
        Sorry for the late reply, we've been busy releasing https://about.gitlab.com/2016/05/11/git-repository-pricing/ https://about.gitlab.com/2016/05/11/git-repository-pricing/ Anyway, I've added most information to https://about.gitlab.com/disclosure/ https://about.gitlab.com/disclosure/ with https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/www-gitlab-com/commit/eab7e345409f72ee80d6af9f2bba7ca557311ded https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/www-gitlab-com/commit/eab7e345... That page is linked from https://about.gitlab.com/contact/ https://about.gitlab.com/contact/
        etjossem 10y ago
        Awesome, thanks for the quick response.
- teen 10y ago
  page load time is the big killer for me
0x0 10y ago
Respectfully disagree. I find the commit pages and issues pages to be much more clean and informative on bitbucket, in particular the commit pages with the "subway graphs". The closest thing I've found on github is the "Network graph", which is really hard to use (you have to mouse-over each commit dot to see the commit message, etc)
sandGorgon 10y ago
Bitbucket is awesome. Their bug tracker is much better... plus Hipchat for free! Do you seriously spend money on Slack ;)
- driverdan 10y ago
  Slack hasn't had the downtime issues HipChat has had this year.
  - Aldo_MX 10y ago
    *yet
    - tomschlick 10y ago
      Downtime for HC is nothing new. They had the same problems last year which caused me to switch to Slack.
pknerd 10y ago
Really? I guess entire Atlassian suite is awesome. Bitbucket for SCM, Jira, Wiki and all that make it a perfect combo.
- mrweasel 10y ago
  But oh so expensive. If you're already paying for Jira and maybe Confluence, the new pricing model for GitHub shouldn't be much of a problem. Jira, HipChat and Confluence are really nice tools, but pricing seems to just snowball.

Bitbucket is terrible though, so what does it matter?

by teen 10y ago

Bitbucket is terrible though, so what does it matter?

TAForObvReasons 10y ago

Can you clarify? Why is Bitbucket "terrible"?

me_bx 10y ago
He probably means in terms of general usability. This is the reason why I don't use bitbucket at all, and I'm happy to give some money to github in exchange for their service. Bitbucket's issue tracker is such a pain to work with. I remember being redirected to a new page whenever I had to create a new tag. Then I'd loose the content of the issue I had started to write, something like that.
- therealmarv 10y ago
  you are doing it wrong. If you want issue management you will buy Jira from the same company which is superior to github. Bitbucket is one tool of many for Atlassian.
  - WorldMaker 10y ago
    Isn't that the problem, though? GitHub has one Issue tracker that is "good enough" for most projects I've worked on, and gets better over time because GitHub dog foods it (even if they don't always see some of the large open projects issues with it). Bitbucket has two Issue trackers, a "sort of useful" minimalist one that is worse than GitHub's and an upsell to Jira which is maximalist overkill for any project I've worked on. Atlassian doesn't have much incentive to make Bitbucket's issue tracker any better than it's current "almost decent" because it wants to upsell Jira. You can pretty much assume that Atlassian only works in Jira themselves. (Similarly, VS Team Services has only one issue tracker and I'd rather use that than both of Atlassian's offerings, even though it's almost equally maximalist with Jira, mostly because they clearly dog food it and don't try to upsell into it from a worse system that nobody wants to use.)
    - therealmarv 10y ago
      I've never said I'm a fan of Jira. I also think it is overkill for all the little projects I've been working on. As other mentioned before here: Maybe look into gitlab.com ... they dogfood their project and the bugtracker is pretty good. https://about.gitlab.com/2016/05/11/git-repository-pricing/ https://about.gitlab.com/2016/05/11/git-repository-pricing/
- vacri 10y ago
  I've found github better for open source projects, and bitbucket better for businesses. Github only just recently introduced the idea that one 'deploy key' could be used on more than one repo(!), for example, not to mention that deploy keys had full write access. User management - more important for a business - is much nicer on BitBucket, and was the specific reason why we shifted. And it will continue to be nicer, until they infect BitBucket with the same user management mess that blights Jira/Confluence. :)
sarabob 10y ago
A lack of search across a repo is pretty annoying. https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issues/2874/ability-to-search-source-code-bb-39 https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issues/2874/ability-to-sea... Integration with Jira is nice though.
shadowmint 10y ago
Dunno, we've had downtime every month for months. Its slow as heck. The UI is clunky. The 'projects' made it hard to find anything and broke bookmarks. ... but the downtime is the killer. Last week was the last one.
therealmarv 10y ago
Bitbucket is ok for private repos. I think private repos are relatively secure there because Atlassian has much of reputation to loose if there is a security breach. Another plus for Bitbucket is the integration with Jira and other Atlassians tools. Beside that plus points I will rather go to GitLab.com (more features, better UI and integration with 3rd party) but my trust in private repos is lower there than on Bitbucket. I wished we could measure security somehow for private repos between Bitbucket, GitHub and Gitlab.com
- sytse 10y ago
  How could we convince you that at GitLab we take security very seriously?
  - etjossem 10y ago
    Creating a Security page on the site to explain your infosec policies would go a long way. I like that we're able to view previous disclosures [1] and active security issues [2], but I had to dig a bit to find them. Surface those. [1] https://about.gitlab.com/vulnerability-acknowledgements/ https://about.gitlab.com/vulnerability-acknowledgements/ [2] https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues?label_name%5B%5D=security https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues?label_name%5B...
    - sytse 10y ago
      Sorry for the late reply, we've been busy releasing https://about.gitlab.com/2016/05/11/git-repository-pricing/ https://about.gitlab.com/2016/05/11/git-repository-pricing/ Anyway, I've added most information to https://about.gitlab.com/disclosure/ https://about.gitlab.com/disclosure/ with https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/www-gitlab-com/commit/eab7e345409f72ee80d6af9f2bba7ca557311ded https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/www-gitlab-com/commit/eab7e345... That page is linked from https://about.gitlab.com/contact/ https://about.gitlab.com/contact/
      - etjossem 10y ago
        Awesome, thanks for the quick response.
teen 10y ago
page load time is the big killer for me

0x0 10y ago

Respectfully disagree. I find the commit pages and issues pages to be much more clean and informative on bitbucket, in particular the commit pages with the "subway graphs". The closest thing I've found on github is the "Network graph", which is really hard to use (you have to mouse-over each commit dot to see the commit message, etc)

sandGorgon 10y ago

Bitbucket is awesome. Their bug tracker is much better... plus Hipchat for free! Do you seriously spend money on Slack ;)

driverdan 10y ago
Slack hasn't had the downtime issues HipChat has had this year.
- Aldo_MX 10y ago
  *yet
  - tomschlick 10y ago
    Downtime for HC is nothing new. They had the same problems last year which caused me to switch to Slack.

pknerd 10y ago

Really? I guess entire Atlassian suite is awesome. Bitbucket for SCM, Jira, Wiki and all that make it a perfect combo.

mrweasel 10y ago
But oh so expensive. If you're already paying for Jira and maybe Confluence, the new pricing model for GitHub shouldn't be much of a problem. Jira, HipChat and Confluence are really nice tools, but pricing seems to just snowball.