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Google and Friends Add Prometheus to Kubernetes Platform

95 points by slyall 10y ago

andrewstuart2 10y ago
Probably more accurately, Prometheus is now officially being incubated by the Cloud Native Computing Foundation, which is a foundation for apps which are container-packaged, dynamically-managed, and microservices-oriented. Kubernetes is an engine to run cloud-native apps (itself conforming to the above spec). Prometheus is a platform for monitoring cloud-native apps, which also conforms to the spec. Having watched CNCF and kubernetes very closely, I would not be surprised at all to see it adopt the governance of multiple platforms for a given service (logging, for example).
arturhoo 10y ago
Awesome news! Prometheus does fill a void in the monitoring, time series, visualization niche. I found it more straightforward to setup and use than the alternatives such as statsd, collectived, influxdb (which seems to be headed the wrong way in monetizing) and grafana et al. I always thought that Hashicorp would someday fill this void with their polished products and straightforward community and monetization strategies, especially through consul [0]. I hope it can polish the rough edges while being incubated by the Cloud Native Computing Foundation. PS.: I've prepared an Ansible role for prometheus for those interested, albeit outdated [1] [0]: https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer#!msg/consul-tool/g1OkeBgBMOo/B_m9Qo4uQsEJ https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_medium=email&utm_source... [1]: https://github.com/arturhoo/cameos/tree/master/roles/prometheus https://github.com/arturhoo/cameos/tree/master/roles/prometh...
- SEJeff 10y ago
  FWIW regarding your grafana comment, Prometheus upstream plans to deprecate PromDash and move the ui to grafana as they do a better job. From: https://prometheus.io/docs/visualization/promdash/ https://prometheus.io/docs/visualization/promdash/ NOTE: We recommend Grafana for visualization of Prometheus metrics nowadays, as it has native Prometheus support and is widely adopted and powerful. There will be less focus on PromDash development in the future.
jabl 10y ago
So what does it signify that Prometheus is now under the CNCF? More development resources? I suppose it at least to some extent allays whatever fears there might have been that it will go "open core" in some ways, as e.g. InfluxDB recently.. That being said, what is the killer feature here? Looking at the docs, it seems nice, but collectd+influxdb+grafana seems to do the job for us at the moment..
- sz4kerto 10y ago
  InfluxDB _seems_ to be less stable, and also their monetization strategy might not appeal to some. I also appreciate the pull-style operation more and more (vs. the push-based operation of InfluxDB).
  - gtirloni 10y ago
    Could you tell what you find better about the pull-style operation mode? My experience with pull-based monitoring tools comes from Zabbix/Nagios and it wasn't very pleasant (still had to configure clients extensively while keeping everything organized in a central database -- which is hard if your servers are coming and going all the time). We're currently using collectd+influxdb+grafana but it looks like Prometheus might be a better option in the future, since we plan to use Kubernetes more and more.
    - sagichmal 10y ago
      You're right in that pull only works well when your puller has a subscription to your service discovery system, so you don't need to manually configure targets when they change. Prometheus has SD plugins for major systems including Kubernetes.
- infinotize 10y ago
  Re: prometheus vs influx: There's a small thread with a few comments by the influxdb ceo and some Prometheus devs here [0], mainly on use case and philosophy. See also [1], although this is quite dated. [0] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/33350314/usecases-influxdb-vs-prometheus/ http://stackoverflow.com/questions/33350314/usecases-influxd... [1] https://prometheus.io/docs/introduction/comparison/#prometheus-vs.-influxdb https://prometheus.io/docs/introduction/comparison/#promethe...

95 points by slyall 10y ago

Probably more accurately, Prometheus is now officially being incubated by the Cloud Native Computing Foundation, which is a foundation for apps which are container-packaged, dynamically-managed, and microservices-oriented. Kubernetes is an engine to run cloud-native apps (itself conforming to the above spec). Prometheus is a platform for monitoring cloud-native apps, which also conforms to the spec. Having watched CNCF and kubernetes very closely, I would not be surprised at all to see it adopt the governance of multiple platforms for a given service (logging, for example).

arturhoo 10y ago

Awesome news! Prometheus does fill a void in the monitoring, time series, visualization niche. I found it more straightforward to setup and use than the alternatives such as statsd, collectived, influxdb (which seems to be headed the wrong way in monetizing) and grafana et al. I always thought that Hashicorp would someday fill this void with their polished products and straightforward community and monetization strategies, especially through consul [0]. I hope it can polish the rough edges while being incubated by the Cloud Native Computing Foundation. PS.: I've prepared an Ansible role for prometheus for those interested, albeit outdated [1] [0]: https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer#!msg/consul-tool/g1OkeBgBMOo/B_m9Qo4uQsEJ https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_medium=email&utm_source... [1]: https://github.com/arturhoo/cameos/tree/master/roles/prometheus https://github.com/arturhoo/cameos/tree/master/roles/prometh...

SEJeff 10y ago
FWIW regarding your grafana comment, Prometheus upstream plans to deprecate PromDash and move the ui to grafana as they do a better job. From: https://prometheus.io/docs/visualization/promdash/ https://prometheus.io/docs/visualization/promdash/ NOTE: We recommend Grafana for visualization of Prometheus metrics nowadays, as it has native Prometheus support and is widely adopted and powerful. There will be less focus on PromDash development in the future.

jabl 10y ago

So what does it signify that Prometheus is now under the CNCF? More development resources? I suppose it at least to some extent allays whatever fears there might have been that it will go "open core" in some ways, as e.g. InfluxDB recently.. That being said, what is the killer feature here? Looking at the docs, it seems nice, but collectd+influxdb+grafana seems to do the job for us at the moment..

sz4kerto 10y ago
InfluxDB _seems_ to be less stable, and also their monetization strategy might not appeal to some. I also appreciate the pull-style operation more and more (vs. the push-based operation of InfluxDB).
- gtirloni 10y ago
  Could you tell what you find better about the pull-style operation mode? My experience with pull-based monitoring tools comes from Zabbix/Nagios and it wasn't very pleasant (still had to configure clients extensively while keeping everything organized in a central database -- which is hard if your servers are coming and going all the time). We're currently using collectd+influxdb+grafana but it looks like Prometheus might be a better option in the future, since we plan to use Kubernetes more and more.
  - sagichmal 10y ago
    You're right in that pull only works well when your puller has a subscription to your service discovery system, so you don't need to manually configure targets when they change. Prometheus has SD plugins for major systems including Kubernetes.
infinotize 10y ago
Re: prometheus vs influx: There's a small thread with a few comments by the influxdb ceo and some Prometheus devs here [0], mainly on use case and philosophy. See also [1], although this is quite dated. [0] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/33350314/usecases-influxdb-vs-prometheus/ http://stackoverflow.com/questions/33350314/usecases-influxd... [1] https://prometheus.io/docs/introduction/comparison/#prometheus-vs.-influxdb https://prometheus.io/docs/introduction/comparison/#promethe...