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“Facebook has destroyed the open web”
- fallenshell 10y ago"Against this global community" "Going against progress" Sorry Zuck, but shut the fuck up. All you want is more money and power. A great example is the free "internet" initiative he's pushing; all to lock people in Facebook. This guy truly is, the world's biggest hypocrite. </rant>
- pinewurst 10y agoThat may require a cage match between Zuck and Eric Schmidt.
- gonzo 10y agoEric just turned 61, and is beta as fuck. Zuck is 32 later this week. I know where I'd place my money.
- dang 10y agoPlease don't do this here. If you have a substantive critique to make, you're more than welcome to, but "shut the fuck up, "all you want is money and power", and "world's biggest hypocrite" is the opposite of that, and predictably degraded the thread.
- fallenshell 10y agoExcuse my misbehavior, I became angry.
- meeper16 10y agoThe DNA of that person relates to a time when he called the users of fb "dumb f*cks"
- rhizome 10y agoThis guy truly is, the world's biggest hypocrite "Like anyone can even know that."
- mschenkel 10y agoTotally agree. Facebook is dotcom equivalent of AOL. Hopefully it goes away.
- FussyZeus 10y agoFacebook is a fad. A damn big one I'll grant you but it's already losing it's grip on the next generation of users. It's huge now but I feel it's already lost it's luster, I mean come on, I'm a huge user (keeping up with friends across states is damn hard otherwise) and I can't stand being on it, and I know a lot of friends who feel the same. It will have it's time, in due time. Hyperlinks are not dead.
- cylinder 10y agomy feed is garbage - just stupid memes and mostly sponsored posts. That said, most people I know use it as a "rolodex." It's the easiest way to add a contact and then quickly message them in the future. also, a lot of people still use it for events. people are still checking their feeds compulsively just out of a need for stimulation and when they feel lonely though. But facebook is basically a cloud contacts solution at this point.
- vr3690 10y agoDon't they have like 1.65B MAUs? How is that a fad?
- FussyZeus 10y agoIf you don't have the younger markets, you don't have a future. Once their parents are on a service, the younger market isn't if they don't need to be. Facebook is delaying it by playing big in International markets and in developing countries but the social aspects can't be outrun and won't change, as I said, it's a BIG fad but it's a fad and it will die a fad's death in due time. Why do think Zuck is pushing the Facebook private Internet in the developing world so hard? He's not stupid, he sees the writing on the wall.
- vr3690 10y agoI hate FB and stopped using it a few months ago. But the people behind the company are pretty clever. They might have seen the writing on the wall and are trying to move pretty quickly to act against it. You've already alluded to one, but FB has also bought Oculus, Instagram and WhatsApp. All for ridiculous amounts of money, but with a crazy amount of potential. As a company FB isn't going anywhere, any time soon and by extension nor are its ideologies and practices.
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- vaishaksuresh 10y agoIt is ironic considering there is a popup when you scroll down to the end of the article that asks you to share it on Facebook.
- drivingmenuts 10y agoFacebook hasn't destroyed the web - it's still there and functioning fine. Hyperlinks still work. What FB has done is made it easier for the lazy to connect with and stay within their own interest groups. FB has made it easy for people to ignore negative information with tons of cat pictures (I am as guilty as anyone for that) and cheerful little meaningless quotes. It's made it easier to post misinformation and spread it quickly. But none of that has destroyed the internet. The internet (or more specifically, information) was going to get harder to find and navigate anyway, once you turn it loose on a few billion people. Sure, in the early days, you could encapsulate 75% of existing websites in one directory, but thanks to the efforts of spammers, link farmers, and other lowlife, in addition to the efforts of well-meaning people, and faulty and well-working search algorithms, it's a mess. But it was going to happen and FB is not to blame for it. If they are to blame for it, we all equally share the guilt.
- codecamper 10y agowell said. FB just makes it easy for lazy people to use the Internet. It turns out that most people don't want much more of a challenge beyond just reading their feeds. plus. it's blue. people like blue.
- 5ilv3r 10y ago"Hyperlinks still work." I observe that this is increasingly no longer true. Links no longer show you when you have visited them. Chains of 301s are common. Tracking links are now the norm. The link text almost never is where you are actually going. Pages automatically redirect you based on a ton of probed information (mobile, desktop, tablet, logged in to G+, logged into facebook, etc), and even normal browser shortcuts to interact with them are no longer working correctly with so many weird effing span and divs being recast into "links" that never work right, in css of all things. No no. The modern hyperlink is totally busted. I blame the framework hockers and the halfass web"app" community.
- paulddraper 10y agoI must use 100+ links a day with 99% success rate.
- Ileca 10y agoOnly fools believe (listen) a thief. As much as any PR guy.
- zwieback 10y agoI've read the "blogs were great, FB is bad" article a few times in recent years and put it off as whining. I was a whiner myself when Usenet gave way to blogs but got over it. However, it might be different in emerging markets where phones are the primary platform and FB may be dominating, not really sure if that's true but certainly different from the US.
- blub 10y agoI've heard a story from an acquaintance from Germany: their kids were ostracised in school by the others until they had a smartphone and started using WhatsApp. Whenever WhatsApp is shut down in Brazil, a local chimes that it's used everywhere, even by emergency medical service personnel. That should cause one some uneasy feelings...
- vinceguidry 10y agoThe article is as stupid as the website it's on is. Value-added sharing mechanisms that take the expertise out of creating useful Internet content does not de-democratize the Internet. You are still as free as before to make your own websites and share your content the way it was done before Facebook. Facebook is popular but that can't be held against it. More generally, populism by itself does not threaten democracy. It's when the people that elect demagogues let those demagogues destroy public institutions that democracy is undermined. But it's the people that are at fault here, they are the ones that let themselves get hoodwinked. Napoleon destroyed the French Republic. But the French were absolutely complicit and just let him do it because they were hungry for empire. All of Europe was like that back then and she wasn't cured of that disease until WW2 showed them how utterly stupid warmongering in the Industrial age was.
- HappyTypist 10y agoFacebook is prioritising native content over external hyperlinks. That's a subtle but significant lock in.
- drivingmenuts 10y agoSo? They aren't preventing you from going outside the service to find your own information. FB's policies dictate how you interact with FB, but you don't have to interact with FB at all, if you choose not to.
- blub 10y agoOnce a platform becomes big enough, it doesn't matter what YOU can do if everyone else is on that platform. Whether YOU want to or not, your friends and family are probably on Facebook and you probably have to use gmail and WhatsApp to talk to them. You argument is flat out wrong.
- drivingmenuts 10y agoTwo words: Richard Stallman. He uses no social service that I'm aware of, a command line email program and downloads web pages for later viewing (I do none of those things, btw). YOU choose how you interact with the rest of the world. You may have those choices thrust in your face, but ultimately, it's up to you to decide. Unless your IP and DNS are somehow restricted by your ISP, then you have access to all the tools you will need. If they are, there's probably little I can do to help you.
- meeper16 10y agoJust like AOL, many facebook users think facebook is the internet.
- Mendenhall 10y agoI feel "everyone" being afraid of words has destroyed the open web. Edit this, censor that, surpress this, etc etc. Complacency and intolerance of other ideas is and always will be the issue.
- codecamper 10y agowhy couldn't we create a decentralized social network. could such a thing exist?
- bawana 10y agoAnd I remember the net before the web. FTP, Gopher, and lynx. So why did a 'web browser' succeed? Because you could integrate bandwidth hogging graphics?? or was it to mimic the gui interfaces of mac OS, windows, BEos, etc? I still mourn the loss of the newsgroups and usenet. Well, Usenet is still around, but in name only. So what's next-VR interfaces? The web and FB has made us dumber- we point and click and no longer have to search and think.
- 5ilv3r 10y agoI am very interested in seeing in the post-web internet.
- mbreese 10y agoI'm not sure you will be happy when we get there. I'm fairly certain that it's already here - phone apps are pretty much on their way to being post-web.
- tpeo 10y agoI'm young enough that I've never had to use any of these, except for FTP. But the contemporary needlessly bloated and avertising-centered web does make me nostalgic for things I didn't experience. It even makes browsing through Html-only sites feels refreshing.
- tawpKek 10y ago>The web and FB has made us dumber- we point and click and no longer have to search and think. That is a bold and baseless statement.
- halpme 10y agoTo echo what everyone else has said, my feed is utter garbage and a lot of friends post stuff that makes me cringe. I've unsubscribed from the majority of my friends so now all I see are ads and sponsored posts. Here's the thing, I get to see what events my friends are going to, which usually end up being really fun and not something I would have found out about otherwise. So nowadays I only use facebook to find and management events to attend.
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- tn13 10y agoOpen web sucked before Facebook. Facebook has created a nice safe sandbox for most people.
- avindroth 10y agoThe vast majority of those on Facebook were not the ones participating in the open web.