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Did you not read my post? It does not literally mean "I want to fuck you". You'd have to be pretty dense to think it is a literal come on or proposal. It's a ma

by anjc 10y ago

Did you not read my post? It does not literally mean "I want to fuck you". You'd have to be pretty dense to think it is a literal come on or proposal. It's a mainstream pop culture term. Turn on any random X-Factor type show for 3 minutes and you'll hear Sharon Osbourne or someone use it. > So sexual harassment is only a US thing? If this occurred as OP described, I don't see how it can be construed as sexual harassment. He ended contact upon her making it clear that it was unwanted, so by the very definition of "harassment" he didn't harass her. Again, I'm not saying that it was appropriate or that it doesn't warrant action, but I'm flabbergasted that people are suggesting he be fired.

Loughla 10y ago
k. Let's do that, then. https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/sexual_harassment.cfm https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/sexual_harassment.cfm "It is unlawful to harass a person (an applicant or employee) because of that person’s sex. Harassment can include “sexual harassment” or unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical harassment of a sexual nature." or https://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/publications/fs-sex.cfm https://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/publications/fs-sex.cfm "Sexual harassment can occur in a variety of circumstances, including but not limited to the following: [...] The harasser's conduct must be unwelcome." Unwelcome sexual advances. That's your black and white definition. Being called a MILF can be an unwelcome sexual advance. Being called a milf ----LITERALLY---- means you are a mother I would like to fuck. Regardless of how you perceive pop-culture to use the term. It ----LITERALLY---- is an acronym for mother I want to fuck. There is not another interpretation. You're wrong. You're just wrong. As for: >If this occurred as OP described, I don't see how it can be construed as sexual harassment. He ended contact upon her making it clear that it was unwanted, so by the very definition of "harassment" he didn't harass her. OP said nothing about how the male employee ending contact. He said that the female employee "handled it well and didn't let it get out of hand." That is something entirely different. That means that, had the female employee not ended the contact herself, this could have gone on. EITHER WAY. You're just wrong. This could be perceived as harassment by a female employee. Now, whether or not the guy should be fired really depends on what OP learns when s/he interviews both parties, after s/he talks to a lawyer. Honestly, the EEOC or lawyers or courts would try to determine if the actions were pervasive (I don't think they were) and created a hostile work environment (sooooo grey, maybe this did, maybe it didn't). I'm telling you that you're just wrong. That's not phrased as a question - it is a declarative statement.
- anjc 10y ago
  You've literally cherry picked sentences from your own links to avoid pointing out that - as I originally said - instances of harassment such as being called a "milf" must occur at a demonstrably frequent enough rate that it creates a hostile work environment. I.e. you must be harassed, not simply affronted. It appears that you realised this halfway through your post...? Anyway, there is no court in the western world which will deem this lone instance as "sexual harassment". I don't know why you're so insistent that I'm "wrong" regarding this, as if I'm the harasser or something. I have not suggested that this incident should be dismissed or taken lightly, in the least. I simply said that I'm shocked that 90% of this thread is saying he should be fired. In my country, not only would you not be fired, it would be illegal to fire you for this.
  - Loughla 10y ago
    I was saying you were wrong that Milf doesn't mean mother I would like to fuck, and that it could be construed as harassing language.
    - anjc 10y ago
      Again, I'm not saying that this wasn't unwanted behaviour, and I'm not saying that it wouldn't be construed as harassment if it continued. But in court (it wouldn't ever get to court but) they'd just say "but it's in the Webster's dictionary as a noun and is synonymous with 'attractive', it wasn't meant literally". Then in my country the guy would be able to sue for wrongful dismissal. I get what you're saying though.
      - runako 10y ago
        I got sucked far enough into this thread and its references to MILF in the dictionary that I became curious as to whether Webster's actually includes MILF. I don't have a printed copy of Webster's handy, and it's not in webster.com. Dictionary.com has it as follows: noun, Slang: Vulgar. 1. an attractive older woman, usually a mother, who is regarded as a sexual object by a younger man. Origin of MILF Expand M(other) I(‘d) L(ike) to F(uck) Oxford online is roughly the same. I'm not sure I'd want either of those read to a jury as part of a description of conduct I chose (as a manager) to ignore.

by anjc 10y ago

Loughla 10y ago

k. Let's do that, then. https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/sexual_harassment.cfm https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/sexual_harassment.cfm "It is unlawful to harass a person (an applicant or employee) because of that person’s sex. Harassment can include “sexual harassment” or unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical harassment of a sexual nature." or https://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/publications/fs-sex.cfm https://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/publications/fs-sex.cfm "Sexual harassment can occur in a variety of circumstances, including but not limited to the following: [...] The harasser's conduct must be unwelcome." Unwelcome sexual advances. That's your black and white definition. Being called a MILF can be an unwelcome sexual advance. Being called a milf ----LITERALLY---- means you are a mother I would like to fuck. Regardless of how you perceive pop-culture to use the term. It ----LITERALLY---- is an acronym for mother I want to fuck. There is not another interpretation. You're wrong. You're just wrong. As for: >If this occurred as OP described, I don't see how it can be construed as sexual harassment. He ended contact upon her making it clear that it was unwanted, so by the very definition of "harassment" he didn't harass her. OP said nothing about how the male employee ending contact. He said that the female employee "handled it well and didn't let it get out of hand." That is something entirely different. That means that, had the female employee not ended the contact herself, this could have gone on. EITHER WAY. You're just wrong. This could be perceived as harassment by a female employee. Now, whether or not the guy should be fired really depends on what OP learns when s/he interviews both parties, after s/he talks to a lawyer. Honestly, the EEOC or lawyers or courts would try to determine if the actions were pervasive (I don't think they were) and created a hostile work environment (sooooo grey, maybe this did, maybe it didn't). I'm telling you that you're just wrong. That's not phrased as a question - it is a declarative statement.

anjc 10y ago
You've literally cherry picked sentences from your own links to avoid pointing out that - as I originally said - instances of harassment such as being called a "milf" must occur at a demonstrably frequent enough rate that it creates a hostile work environment. I.e. you must be harassed, not simply affronted. It appears that you realised this halfway through your post...? Anyway, there is no court in the western world which will deem this lone instance as "sexual harassment". I don't know why you're so insistent that I'm "wrong" regarding this, as if I'm the harasser or something. I have not suggested that this incident should be dismissed or taken lightly, in the least. I simply said that I'm shocked that 90% of this thread is saying he should be fired. In my country, not only would you not be fired, it would be illegal to fire you for this.
- Loughla 10y ago
  I was saying you were wrong that Milf doesn't mean mother I would like to fuck, and that it could be construed as harassing language.
  - anjc 10y ago
    Again, I'm not saying that this wasn't unwanted behaviour, and I'm not saying that it wouldn't be construed as harassment if it continued. But in court (it wouldn't ever get to court but) they'd just say "but it's in the Webster's dictionary as a noun and is synonymous with 'attractive', it wasn't meant literally". Then in my country the guy would be able to sue for wrongful dismissal. I get what you're saying though.
    - runako 10y ago
      I got sucked far enough into this thread and its references to MILF in the dictionary that I became curious as to whether Webster's actually includes MILF. I don't have a printed copy of Webster's handy, and it's not in webster.com. Dictionary.com has it as follows: noun, Slang: Vulgar. 1. an attractive older woman, usually a mother, who is regarded as a sexual object by a younger man. Origin of MILF Expand M(other) I(‘d) L(ike) to F(uck) Oxford online is roughly the same. I'm not sure I'd want either of those read to a jury as part of a description of conduct I chose (as a manager) to ignore.