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Next time a cop pulls you over or cites you for something, why don't you just tell him leave you alone and NOT investigate. Since Hillary Rodham Clinton can do

Next time a cop pulls you over or cites you for something, why don't you just tell him leave you alone and NOT investigate. Since Hillary Rodham Clinton can do it, why shouldn't it be passed down to every citizen under her. Once a countries laws become negligible, the country ceases to exist.

zer00eyz 10y ago
Here is the thing, I don't disagree with you. But the facts in this case point to something different. If were working with your analogy, then my car got taken apart (every last bolt and nut is on the side of the road). The people in the car with me have been investigated... Still found nothing, keep investigating. At what point does an investigation become a witch hunt? At what point does an investigation become waste? I think were at that point (or just slightly past) it. The investigation has revealed some rather alarming things about our government: 1. The government doesn't have it's shit together when it comes to archiving email. Go figure, we all knew there was waste there but this is worse than any decent nerd ever expected. 2. Our classification system is a mess. The fact that we can retroactively classify something is INSANE. Documents got out that you don't like, classify them, then prosecute any journalist who writes about them. 3. The number of people recently (not just in clintons case) who have immunity for testimony is amazing. In the case of clinton it looks like there was/is some wrongdoing on the part of the staffer who RECEIVED immunity. We all understand this is a prisoners dilemma problem, but there are external ethics that we don't often think about: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2378070 http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2378070 -- and this doesn't even factor in outside actors (us) who are harmed by the crime. 4. After Chelsea/Bradley Manning(see note) released all the cables, it apparently had ZERO impact on the IT culture at the state department. You would think that after an issue like that, things would have been on lockdown, but apparently government doesn't learn from its mistakes. Why isn't any one screaming on high about these things? NOTE: The whole gender and name change thing is confusing when referring to something done under/by the old name/gender so I put both down.
- ryanmerket 10y ago
  Just curious, have you read this analysis? It's extremely thorough. https://informedvote2016.wordpress.com/2016/03/18/do-i-really-need-to-worry-about-hillarys-emails-yes-she-will-be-indicted-full-form/ https://informedvote2016.wordpress.com/2016/03/18/do-i-reall...
  - zer00eyz 10y ago
    Its an interesting read, but I don't think it goes in depth enough in some areas: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/03/nsa-refused-clinton-a-secure-blackberry-like-obama-so-she-used-her-own/ http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/03/nsa-re... “Each time we asked the question 'What was the solution for POTUS,' we were politely asked to shut up and color,” Donald Reid, State Department coordinator for security infrastructure, said in a 2009 email first obtained as part of a Freedom of Information Act request by the political action group Judicial Watch. The woman asked for a workable solution, one that former SofS had access to and was told no. She asked what POTOUS had and was told NO, and instead offered something 1/2 assed at best. There is also the question of a foundation staffer having highly compartmentalized data from the NSA... that is, to say the least, interesting as it apparently came from an "outside source". The story as it is being presented is NSA->leak-> Blumenthal -> clinton. One would think that this would have lead to a swift inditement of him (Blumenthal), yet nothing. I suspect that there is a LOT more to this portion of the story that has NOTHING to do with Clinton, and it might make one want a tinfoil hat.
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zer00eyz 10y ago

Here is the thing, I don't disagree with you. But the facts in this case point to something different. If were working with your analogy, then my car got taken apart (every last bolt and nut is on the side of the road). The people in the car with me have been investigated... Still found nothing, keep investigating. At what point does an investigation become a witch hunt? At what point does an investigation become waste? I think were at that point (or just slightly past) it. The investigation has revealed some rather alarming things about our government: 1. The government doesn't have it's shit together when it comes to archiving email. Go figure, we all knew there was waste there but this is worse than any decent nerd ever expected. 2. Our classification system is a mess. The fact that we can retroactively classify something is INSANE. Documents got out that you don't like, classify them, then prosecute any journalist who writes about them. 3. The number of people recently (not just in clintons case) who have immunity for testimony is amazing. In the case of clinton it looks like there was/is some wrongdoing on the part of the staffer who RECEIVED immunity. We all understand this is a prisoners dilemma problem, but there are external ethics that we don't often think about: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2378070 http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2378070 -- and this doesn't even factor in outside actors (us) who are harmed by the crime. 4. After Chelsea/Bradley Manning(see note) released all the cables, it apparently had ZERO impact on the IT culture at the state department. You would think that after an issue like that, things would have been on lockdown, but apparently government doesn't learn from its mistakes. Why isn't any one screaming on high about these things? NOTE: The whole gender and name change thing is confusing when referring to something done under/by the old name/gender so I put both down.

ryanmerket 10y ago
Just curious, have you read this analysis? It's extremely thorough. https://informedvote2016.wordpress.com/2016/03/18/do-i-really-need-to-worry-about-hillarys-emails-yes-she-will-be-indicted-full-form/ https://informedvote2016.wordpress.com/2016/03/18/do-i-reall...
- zer00eyz 10y ago
  Its an interesting read, but I don't think it goes in depth enough in some areas: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/03/nsa-refused-clinton-a-secure-blackberry-like-obama-so-she-used-her-own/ http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/03/nsa-re... “Each time we asked the question 'What was the solution for POTUS,' we were politely asked to shut up and color,” Donald Reid, State Department coordinator for security infrastructure, said in a 2009 email first obtained as part of a Freedom of Information Act request by the political action group Judicial Watch. The woman asked for a workable solution, one that former SofS had access to and was told no. She asked what POTOUS had and was told NO, and instead offered something 1/2 assed at best. There is also the question of a foundation staffer having highly compartmentalized data from the NSA... that is, to say the least, interesting as it apparently came from an "outside source". The story as it is being presented is NSA->leak-> Blumenthal -> clinton. One would think that this would have lead to a swift inditement of him (Blumenthal), yet nothing. I suspect that there is a LOT more to this portion of the story that has NOTHING to do with Clinton, and it might make one want a tinfoil hat.
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