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I love the mythical "cover up". Is she hiding the fact that she knows Ted Cruz dad helped shoot JFK? What exactly do you think is being hidden. Also, at what p

I love the mythical "cover up". Is she hiding the fact that she knows Ted Cruz dad helped shoot JFK? What exactly do you think is being hidden. Also, at what point do you get upset about tax dollars being wasted to investigate something to death. Couldn't we be spending this money on better things?

VMG 11y ago
> What exactly do you think is being hidden. Evidence of corruption.
spoiledtechie 11y ago
Next time a cop pulls you over or cites you for something, why don't you just tell him leave you alone and NOT investigate. Since Hillary Rodham Clinton can do it, why shouldn't it be passed down to every citizen under her. Once a countries laws become negligible, the country ceases to exist.
- zer00eyz 11y ago
  Here is the thing, I don't disagree with you. But the facts in this case point to something different. If were working with your analogy, then my car got taken apart (every last bolt and nut is on the side of the road). The people in the car with me have been investigated... Still found nothing, keep investigating. At what point does an investigation become a witch hunt? At what point does an investigation become waste? I think were at that point (or just slightly past) it. The investigation has revealed some rather alarming things about our government: 1. The government doesn't have it's shit together when it comes to archiving email. Go figure, we all knew there was waste there but this is worse than any decent nerd ever expected. 2. Our classification system is a mess. The fact that we can retroactively classify something is INSANE. Documents got out that you don't like, classify them, then prosecute any journalist who writes about them. 3. The number of people recently (not just in clintons case) who have immunity for testimony is amazing. In the case of clinton it looks like there was/is some wrongdoing on the part of the staffer who RECEIVED immunity. We all understand this is a prisoners dilemma problem, but there are external ethics that we don't often think about: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2378070 http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2378070 -- and this doesn't even factor in outside actors (us) who are harmed by the crime. 4. After Chelsea/Bradley Manning(see note) released all the cables, it apparently had ZERO impact on the IT culture at the state department. You would think that after an issue like that, things would have been on lockdown, but apparently government doesn't learn from its mistakes. Why isn't any one screaming on high about these things? NOTE: The whole gender and name change thing is confusing when referring to something done under/by the old name/gender so I put both down.
  - ryanmerket 11y ago
    Just curious, have you read this analysis? It's extremely thorough. https://informedvote2016.wordpress.com/2016/03/18/do-i-really-need-to-worry-about-hillarys-emails-yes-she-will-be-indicted-full-form/ https://informedvote2016.wordpress.com/2016/03/18/do-i-reall...
    - zer00eyz 11y ago
      Its an interesting read, but I don't think it goes in depth enough in some areas: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/03/nsa-refused-clinton-a-secure-blackberry-like-obama-so-she-used-her-own/ http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/03/nsa-re... “Each time we asked the question 'What was the solution for POTUS,' we were politely asked to shut up and color,” Donald Reid, State Department coordinator for security infrastructure, said in a 2009 email first obtained as part of a Freedom of Information Act request by the political action group Judicial Watch. The woman asked for a workable solution, one that former SofS had access to and was told no. She asked what POTOUS had and was told NO, and instead offered something 1/2 assed at best. There is also the question of a foundation staffer having highly compartmentalized data from the NSA... that is, to say the least, interesting as it apparently came from an "outside source". The story as it is being presented is NSA->leak-> Blumenthal -> clinton. One would think that this would have lead to a swift inditement of him (Blumenthal), yet nothing. I suspect that there is a LOT more to this portion of the story that has NOTHING to do with Clinton, and it might make one want a tinfoil hat.
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castis 11y ago
We could absolutely be spending this money on better things. If Hillary and Co. would stop doing suspicious things we could move on to spending this money in other places.
- cwilkes 11y ago
  That's what annoys me the most about this. what was going through her head when she became one of the most powerful people in government, trusted with securing deals with foreign countries, and thinks that setting up a back channel wouldn't be looked at as suspicious? It is almost like she doesn't give a damn what you think. I'm beginning to not give a damn about her.
  - mladenkovacevic 11y ago
    When you're actively orchestrating illegal coups, or using the American soldiers as guns for hire in order to curry favor from various billionaires and autocrats for personal gain or to shape the world according to your own vision of how the global pecking order should work, you might not want that on the public record during your time in office.
  - danielweber 11y ago
    what was going through her head She remembered how the Republicans witch-hunted her before, and wanted to keep all her stuff under her control so they couldn't FOIA all her stuff. I empathize with that. I really do. But there's no exception to FOIA for "the people who want the information are meanie heads."
sremani 11y ago
There is a meme, where Nixon was complaining about losing his job for 18 minutes of missing tape, but Clinton getting a pass for 30,000 missing emails. Irrespective of your political leanings, what is the magic behind making emails disappear? Is it incompetence, gross-negligence. I think, its another standard DC "plausible deniability".
- Mendenhall 11y ago
  Don't forget its not just emails! she never texted anyone either! "In addition to the emails, the State Department also does not have any text messages or BlackBerry Messenger messages sent to or from Clinton during her time in office, the RNC claimed. The State Department declined to discuss that declaration."
  - danielweber 11y ago
    Is there evidence that there should be texts? She's 68 years old. Maybe she's never texted in her life.
    - whatok 11y ago
      No BBM or text messages TO and from. Let's go with your scenario and say that she doesn't text. You're telling me that she didn't receive a single spam text message from her provider or a random text message from a friend? Come on.
      - danielweber 11y ago
        A log of my parents' phone might not show any text messages, either. I'm hardly a Clinton apologist, but I'd like to make sure, before I criticize her of something, that there is actually evidence.
    - brandon272 11y ago
      "omg really screwed up on benghazi today lol"

VMG 11y ago

> What exactly do you think is being hidden. Evidence of corruption.

spoiledtechie 11y ago

Next time a cop pulls you over or cites you for something, why don't you just tell him leave you alone and NOT investigate. Since Hillary Rodham Clinton can do it, why shouldn't it be passed down to every citizen under her. Once a countries laws become negligible, the country ceases to exist.

zer00eyz 11y ago
Here is the thing, I don't disagree with you. But the facts in this case point to something different. If were working with your analogy, then my car got taken apart (every last bolt and nut is on the side of the road). The people in the car with me have been investigated... Still found nothing, keep investigating. At what point does an investigation become a witch hunt? At what point does an investigation become waste? I think were at that point (or just slightly past) it. The investigation has revealed some rather alarming things about our government: 1. The government doesn't have it's shit together when it comes to archiving email. Go figure, we all knew there was waste there but this is worse than any decent nerd ever expected. 2. Our classification system is a mess. The fact that we can retroactively classify something is INSANE. Documents got out that you don't like, classify them, then prosecute any journalist who writes about them. 3. The number of people recently (not just in clintons case) who have immunity for testimony is amazing. In the case of clinton it looks like there was/is some wrongdoing on the part of the staffer who RECEIVED immunity. We all understand this is a prisoners dilemma problem, but there are external ethics that we don't often think about: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2378070 http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2378070 -- and this doesn't even factor in outside actors (us) who are harmed by the crime. 4. After Chelsea/Bradley Manning(see note) released all the cables, it apparently had ZERO impact on the IT culture at the state department. You would think that after an issue like that, things would have been on lockdown, but apparently government doesn't learn from its mistakes. Why isn't any one screaming on high about these things? NOTE: The whole gender and name change thing is confusing when referring to something done under/by the old name/gender so I put both down.
- ryanmerket 11y ago
  Just curious, have you read this analysis? It's extremely thorough. https://informedvote2016.wordpress.com/2016/03/18/do-i-really-need-to-worry-about-hillarys-emails-yes-she-will-be-indicted-full-form/ https://informedvote2016.wordpress.com/2016/03/18/do-i-reall...
  - zer00eyz 11y ago
    Its an interesting read, but I don't think it goes in depth enough in some areas: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/03/nsa-refused-clinton-a-secure-blackberry-like-obama-so-she-used-her-own/ http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/03/nsa-re... “Each time we asked the question 'What was the solution for POTUS,' we were politely asked to shut up and color,” Donald Reid, State Department coordinator for security infrastructure, said in a 2009 email first obtained as part of a Freedom of Information Act request by the political action group Judicial Watch. The woman asked for a workable solution, one that former SofS had access to and was told no. She asked what POTOUS had and was told NO, and instead offered something 1/2 assed at best. There is also the question of a foundation staffer having highly compartmentalized data from the NSA... that is, to say the least, interesting as it apparently came from an "outside source". The story as it is being presented is NSA->leak-> Blumenthal -> clinton. One would think that this would have lead to a swift inditement of him (Blumenthal), yet nothing. I suspect that there is a LOT more to this portion of the story that has NOTHING to do with Clinton, and it might make one want a tinfoil hat.
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castis 11y ago

We could absolutely be spending this money on better things. If Hillary and Co. would stop doing suspicious things we could move on to spending this money in other places.

cwilkes 11y ago
That's what annoys me the most about this. what was going through her head when she became one of the most powerful people in government, trusted with securing deals with foreign countries, and thinks that setting up a back channel wouldn't be looked at as suspicious? It is almost like she doesn't give a damn what you think. I'm beginning to not give a damn about her.
- mladenkovacevic 11y ago
  When you're actively orchestrating illegal coups, or using the American soldiers as guns for hire in order to curry favor from various billionaires and autocrats for personal gain or to shape the world according to your own vision of how the global pecking order should work, you might not want that on the public record during your time in office.
- danielweber 11y ago
  what was going through her head She remembered how the Republicans witch-hunted her before, and wanted to keep all her stuff under her control so they couldn't FOIA all her stuff. I empathize with that. I really do. But there's no exception to FOIA for "the people who want the information are meanie heads."

sremani 11y ago

There is a meme, where Nixon was complaining about losing his job for 18 minutes of missing tape, but Clinton getting a pass for 30,000 missing emails. Irrespective of your political leanings, what is the magic behind making emails disappear? Is it incompetence, gross-negligence. I think, its another standard DC "plausible deniability".

Mendenhall 11y ago
Don't forget its not just emails! she never texted anyone either! "In addition to the emails, the State Department also does not have any text messages or BlackBerry Messenger messages sent to or from Clinton during her time in office, the RNC claimed. The State Department declined to discuss that declaration."
- danielweber 11y ago
  Is there evidence that there should be texts? She's 68 years old. Maybe she's never texted in her life.
  - whatok 11y ago
    No BBM or text messages TO and from. Let's go with your scenario and say that she doesn't text. You're telling me that she didn't receive a single spam text message from her provider or a random text message from a friend? Come on.
    - danielweber 11y ago
      A log of my parents' phone might not show any text messages, either. I'm hardly a Clinton apologist, but I'd like to make sure, before I criticize her of something, that there is actually evidence.
  - brandon272 11y ago
    "omg really screwed up on benghazi today lol"