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Can't the FBI just query the NSA's impressive archive? They don't even need a warrant. https://www.aclu.org/doj-report-fbi-activities-under-section-702 https:

Can't the FBI just query the NSA's impressive archive? They don't even need a warrant. https://www.aclu.org/doj-report-fbi-activities-under-section-702 https://www.aclu.org/doj-report-fbi-activities-under-section...

lern_too_spel 10y ago
According to Snowden's leaks, the NSA doesn't have a domestic email archive or even domestic email envelope metadata, so no.
- chishaku 10y ago
  > the NSA doesn't have a domestic email archive or even domestic email envelope metadata "Eventually, the NSA gained authority to "analyze communications metadata associated with United States persons and persons believed to be in the United States", according to a 2007 Justice Department memo, which is marked secret." http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/27/nsa-data-mining-authorised-obama http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/27/nsa-data-mining... "The system has the capacity to reach roughly 75% of all U.S. Internet traffic in the hunt for foreign intelligence, including a wide array of communications by foreigners and Americans. In some cases, it retains the written content of emails sent between citizens within the U.S. and also filters domestic phone calls made with Internet technology." http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324108204579022874091732470 http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014241278873241082045790228...
  - lern_too_spel 10y ago
    The "in some cases" means with a court order for one of the correspondents, which didn't exist for Clinton. PRISM is a program entirely for processing communications court-ordered to be collected from specific providers (not Clinton's mail server or other federal mail systems) for specific users (not Clinton).
    - dmix 10y ago
      Really? I'd assume the counter-intelligence teams would be watching the Secretary of State... If not then they could just ask GCHQ or CSEC for a copy.
spacehome 10y ago
Maybe they did and the rest is parallel construction?
- daveguy 10y ago
  Parallel destruction?
  - fab13n 10y ago
    No, parallel construction. That's what law enforcement does when it has illegally gathered proofs: knowing what they're looking for, they figure out another way to "find" it again, but this time through legal and seemingly lucky paths. The later proof is expected to stand in front of a judge, whereas the "real", original one wouldn't. They might also do it to protect a confidential informant. Essentially, it's to legal proofs what laundering is to money.
    - giardini 10y ago
      Daveguy was making a joke with the "parallel destruction". I think he already knows what parallel construction is, but your clarification here is well-placed for those unacquainted with the concept.

lern_too_spel 10y ago

According to Snowden's leaks, the NSA doesn't have a domestic email archive or even domestic email envelope metadata, so no.

chishaku 10y ago
> the NSA doesn't have a domestic email archive or even domestic email envelope metadata "Eventually, the NSA gained authority to "analyze communications metadata associated with United States persons and persons believed to be in the United States", according to a 2007 Justice Department memo, which is marked secret." http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/27/nsa-data-mining-authorised-obama http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/27/nsa-data-mining... "The system has the capacity to reach roughly 75% of all U.S. Internet traffic in the hunt for foreign intelligence, including a wide array of communications by foreigners and Americans. In some cases, it retains the written content of emails sent between citizens within the U.S. and also filters domestic phone calls made with Internet technology." http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324108204579022874091732470 http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014241278873241082045790228...
- lern_too_spel 10y ago
  The "in some cases" means with a court order for one of the correspondents, which didn't exist for Clinton. PRISM is a program entirely for processing communications court-ordered to be collected from specific providers (not Clinton's mail server or other federal mail systems) for specific users (not Clinton).
  - dmix 10y ago
    Really? I'd assume the counter-intelligence teams would be watching the Secretary of State... If not then they could just ask GCHQ or CSEC for a copy.

spacehome 10y ago

Maybe they did and the rest is parallel construction?

daveguy 10y ago
Parallel destruction?
- fab13n 10y ago
  No, parallel construction. That's what law enforcement does when it has illegally gathered proofs: knowing what they're looking for, they figure out another way to "find" it again, but this time through legal and seemingly lucky paths. The later proof is expected to stand in front of a judge, whereas the "real", original one wouldn't. They might also do it to protect a confidential informant. Essentially, it's to legal proofs what laundering is to money.
  - giardini 10y ago
    Daveguy was making a joke with the "parallel destruction". I think he already knows what parallel construction is, but your clarification here is well-placed for those unacquainted with the concept.