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Supporting the others here : this is not sexism, this is fun. Calling everything sexism just destroys the debate. There is a lot of real sexism to fight agains

Supporting the others here : this is not sexism, this is fun. Calling everything sexism just destroys the debate. There is a lot of real sexism to fight against, no reason to rail against a light-hearted tweet.

jsmthrowaway 11y ago
The others do not need your support and are just as wrong as you, and there is no "scale" of sexism. You are apologizing for it by calling it "fun," and there is no "real" sexism. There is only sexism, and identifying when we do it casually is just as important as fighting against the "obvious" cases. I am very, very scared given that I'm about as indifferent to progressivism as it gets and I'm apparently too progressive for this thread. I'm never that guy who does this in public and I decided to try the waters of calling out something quite apparent, and this is how it's going. People are rallying to support each other and call me wrong. That really, really scares me and does not bode well.
- fwn 11y ago
  To apologize, one must first believe in your premise that something offensive has happened. That said, I don't think that he is apologizing. > There is only sexism, and identifying when we do it casually is just as important as fighting against the "obvious" cases. I think a different term for it would be derailing. You do it by targeting an unrelated question rooted in facts you might find in the original topic.
- xyience 11y ago
  No one is apologizing for shit, because there is nothing to apologize for. That's the response you've been getting. If you want to see what apologizing for content looks like, take note of defenders of e.g. Linus' asshole remarks that say "yeah he's an asshole but he's really necessary and good for the kernel!". In order to be an apology there must be an admission of wrongdoing.
- reitanqild 11y ago
  Are you against all kinds of jokes? We make all kinds of jokes about our neighbouring countries but it doesn't mean we don't respect them. Just recently I discussed it with one of them to try to figure out who made most jokes about who and we both laughed at it. Same with jokes about men and women: if this joke is a problem, never ever come to work in Scandinavia. Both for your own sake but also because we enjoy laughing once in a while. Not everything should be destroyed because Social Justice (TM).
donatj 11y ago
It's certainly distasteful. I'm not one to jump on the labeling everything sexism boat, but that is certainly not the kind of tweet that would make me want to follow him.
- reitanqild 11y ago
  Then don't. It seems a lot of people around here cannot see the difference between wild funny hyberbole and snide remarks. This should be a problem on those people's end, not a problem for the rest of us. Point-in-case: if I was to be offended everytime people was disrespectful about my views around here and in certain other forums it would be a full time job. Instead I ignore it (since its offtopic anyway, or laugh at it because it can be funny even if I'm on the receiving end.)
  - donatj 11y ago
    I won't. I'm not saying he shouldn't say it. I'm not telling him how to live his life. I'm just saying I didn't like what was said.

jsmthrowaway 11y ago

The others do not need your support and are just as wrong as you, and there is no "scale" of sexism. You are apologizing for it by calling it "fun," and there is no "real" sexism. There is only sexism, and identifying when we do it casually is just as important as fighting against the "obvious" cases. I am very, very scared given that I'm about as indifferent to progressivism as it gets and I'm apparently too progressive for this thread. I'm never that guy who does this in public and I decided to try the waters of calling out something quite apparent, and this is how it's going. People are rallying to support each other and call me wrong. That really, really scares me and does not bode well.

fwn 11y ago
To apologize, one must first believe in your premise that something offensive has happened. That said, I don't think that he is apologizing. > There is only sexism, and identifying when we do it casually is just as important as fighting against the "obvious" cases. I think a different term for it would be derailing. You do it by targeting an unrelated question rooted in facts you might find in the original topic.
xyience 11y ago
No one is apologizing for shit, because there is nothing to apologize for. That's the response you've been getting. If you want to see what apologizing for content looks like, take note of defenders of e.g. Linus' asshole remarks that say "yeah he's an asshole but he's really necessary and good for the kernel!". In order to be an apology there must be an admission of wrongdoing.
reitanqild 11y ago
Are you against all kinds of jokes? We make all kinds of jokes about our neighbouring countries but it doesn't mean we don't respect them. Just recently I discussed it with one of them to try to figure out who made most jokes about who and we both laughed at it. Same with jokes about men and women: if this joke is a problem, never ever come to work in Scandinavia. Both for your own sake but also because we enjoy laughing once in a while. Not everything should be destroyed because Social Justice (TM).

donatj 11y ago

It's certainly distasteful. I'm not one to jump on the labeling everything sexism boat, but that is certainly not the kind of tweet that would make me want to follow him.

reitanqild 11y ago
Then don't. It seems a lot of people around here cannot see the difference between wild funny hyberbole and snide remarks. This should be a problem on those people's end, not a problem for the rest of us. Point-in-case: if I was to be offended everytime people was disrespectful about my views around here and in certain other forums it would be a full time job. Instead I ignore it (since its offtopic anyway, or laugh at it because it can be funny even if I'm on the receiving end.)
- donatj 11y ago
  I won't. I'm not saying he shouldn't say it. I'm not telling him how to live his life. I'm just saying I didn't like what was said.