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> IMO the only reason to use rails if you don't actually understand how web development actually works. I'm not following your reasoning. Just because Ruby/Rai

> IMO the only reason to use rails if you don't actually understand how web development actually works. I'm not following your reasoning. Just because Ruby/Rails runs slower than Java/Spring, why does that mean you "don't understand how web development actually works" if you choose Ruby/Rails? That's a serious question. Runtime performance of a language/framework is only one small sliver of the overall performance of a large system. And overall runtime performance of a system is only one factor, among many, when choosing the right stack for a business.

humbleMouse 10y ago
To expand on my offhanded comment: If you are well versed in OOP design principles/database design - I don't see why you would choose rails. I suppose if I didn't have so much experience with java I might want to try something like ruby. Java just gives you so much freedom to design things how you want and use whatever framework you feel like. I don't feel comfortable with all these behind the scenes scaffolding things happening. I prefer to design back-ends as data endpoints that feed a separate business logic layer. I feel like I have the most control of these things using java.
- Corrado 10y ago
  > Java just gives you so much freedom to design things > how you want and use whatever framework you feel like. This lack of flexibility is precisely the reason that people choose Rails. It is a very opinionated solution and the Rails community doesn't hide that fact. The power of a Rails project is anyone familiar with Rails can walk up to it and get productive in minutes. All the code is in a standard place, the tests are run the same way, the deployment is familiar, etc. On the contrary, look at 100 different Java projects and you would find 100 very different solutions. Getting up to speed on an existing Java project would take multiple times longer than a Rails project, even if you were generally familiar with Java + Spring.

humbleMouse 10y ago

To expand on my offhanded comment: If you are well versed in OOP design principles/database design - I don't see why you would choose rails. I suppose if I didn't have so much experience with java I might want to try something like ruby. Java just gives you so much freedom to design things how you want and use whatever framework you feel like. I don't feel comfortable with all these behind the scenes scaffolding things happening. I prefer to design back-ends as data endpoints that feed a separate business logic layer. I feel like I have the most control of these things using java.

Corrado 10y ago
> Java just gives you so much freedom to design things > how you want and use whatever framework you feel like. This lack of flexibility is precisely the reason that people choose Rails. It is a very opinionated solution and the Rails community doesn't hide that fact. The power of a Rails project is anyone familiar with Rails can walk up to it and get productive in minutes. All the code is in a standard place, the tests are run the same way, the deployment is familiar, etc. On the contrary, look at 100 different Java projects and you would find 100 very different solutions. Getting up to speed on an existing Java project would take multiple times longer than a Rails project, even if you were generally familiar with Java + Spring.