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Agreed. As someone with Type 1 diabetes (look up the difference if you don't know), I'm always interested in this distinction. Sugary foods neither "give peopl

Agreed. As someone with Type 1 diabetes (look up the difference if you don't know), I'm always interested in this distinction. Sugary foods neither "give people" nor cause Type 2 diabetes. A person consistently consuming too many sugary foods over a long period of time causes themselves to be at higher risk for Type 2 diabetes. Cigarettes are a different beast, due to the chemically-addictive nature of them (although in this day and age, one could make the argument that people of all ages should know better than to start smoking, and should thus bear responsibility for the outcome - but that's another discussion for another time). Cigarettes != sugar. End of story.

throwaway160303 10y ago
How are the dopamine hits from a nicotine-delivery product different from the dopamine hits from a glucose-delivery product?
- TeMPOraL 10y ago
  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3188825/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3188825/
jakubp 10y ago
It is possible one day cigarettes will be considered a minor evil in comparison with sugar. Just you wait.
- bduerst 10y ago
  Only if second-hand sugaring becomes a trend and manages to beat out second-hand smoke in the evil dept. It's interesting how hyper-aware western and particularly U.S. cultures are of sugar and fat. From the 1990's there's still the stigma that eating any sugar and fat will make you fat.
miles 10y ago
"Sugary foods neither 'give people' nor cause Type 2 diabetes" High Sugar Consumption Linked To Type 2 Diabetes http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/257108.php http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/257108.php "For a while the association between sugar consumption and type 2 diabetes was thought to solely relate to weight gain, but new research conducted at UC San Francisco indicates that sugar intake may also be directly linked to diabetes. ... "This suggests for the first time that not all calories contribute to diabetes risk in the same way. ... "Diabetes rates increased the longer a population was exposed to excess sugar and it decreased when sugar availability went down. ... "Mation Nestle, PhD, a professor of nutrition, food studies and public health at New York University, said: 'As far as I know, this is the first paper that has had data on the relationship of sugar consumption to diabetes. This has been a source of controversy forever. It's been very, very difficult to separate sugar from the calories it provides. This work is carefully done, it's interesting and it deserves attention.' ... "A previous study in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences identified a similar association, revealing that added sugar and high fructose corn syrup may contribute to the development of obesity and diabetes."
- bduerst 10y ago
  The very next sentence they wrote (after what you quoted out of context) is in alignment with the studies you linked. Their point was that consumption behavior causes Type 2 diabetes, not the substance alone.
  - miles 10y ago
    I'm not sure this can be much clearer: "For a while the association between sugar consumption and type 2 diabetes was thought to solely relate to weight gain, but new research conducted at UC San Francisco indicates that sugar intake may also be directly linked to diabetes." "As far as I know, this is the first paper that has had data on the relationship of sugar consumption to diabetes. This has been a source of controversy forever. It's been very, very difficult to separate sugar from the calories it provides. This work is carefully done, it's interesting and it deserves attention." Here's more on the study: Quantity of sugar in food supply linked to diabetes rates, researcher says https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2013/02/quantity-of-sugar-in-food-supply-linked-to-diabetes-rates-researcher-says.html https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2013/02/quantity-of-s... "Does eating too much sugar cause diabetes? For years, scientists have said 'not exactly.' Eating too much of any food, including sugar, can cause you to gain weight; it’s the resulting obesity that predisposes people to diabetes, according to the prevailing theory. "But now the results of a large epidemiological study suggest sugar may also have a direct, independent link to diabetes. Researchers from the Stanford University School of Medicine, the University of California-Berkeley and the University of California-San Francisco examined data on sugar availability and diabetes rates from 175 countries over the past decade. After accounting for obesity and a large array of other factors, the researchers found that increased sugar in a population’s food supply was linked to higher diabetes rates, independent of obesity rates. Their study was published Feb. 27 in PLOS ONE."
gukov 10y ago
I'm also T1 and I think that sugar definitely plays a role in both T1 and T2. Sugar directly interacts with pancreas, consumption of sugar has skyrocketed, diabetes rates have skyrocketed. The official word on T1D is that we don't know what exactly causes it, it's not "sugar definitely doesn't cause it."

throwaway160303 10y ago

How are the dopamine hits from a nicotine-delivery product different from the dopamine hits from a glucose-delivery product?

TeMPOraL 10y ago
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3188825/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3188825/

jakubp 10y ago

It is possible one day cigarettes will be considered a minor evil in comparison with sugar. Just you wait.

bduerst 10y ago
Only if second-hand sugaring becomes a trend and manages to beat out second-hand smoke in the evil dept. It's interesting how hyper-aware western and particularly U.S. cultures are of sugar and fat. From the 1990's there's still the stigma that eating any sugar and fat will make you fat.

miles 10y ago

"Sugary foods neither 'give people' nor cause Type 2 diabetes" High Sugar Consumption Linked To Type 2 Diabetes http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/257108.php http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/257108.php "For a while the association between sugar consumption and type 2 diabetes was thought to solely relate to weight gain, but new research conducted at UC San Francisco indicates that sugar intake may also be directly linked to diabetes. ... "This suggests for the first time that not all calories contribute to diabetes risk in the same way. ... "Diabetes rates increased the longer a population was exposed to excess sugar and it decreased when sugar availability went down. ... "Mation Nestle, PhD, a professor of nutrition, food studies and public health at New York University, said: 'As far as I know, this is the first paper that has had data on the relationship of sugar consumption to diabetes. This has been a source of controversy forever. It's been very, very difficult to separate sugar from the calories it provides. This work is carefully done, it's interesting and it deserves attention.' ... "A previous study in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences identified a similar association, revealing that added sugar and high fructose corn syrup may contribute to the development of obesity and diabetes."

bduerst 10y ago
The very next sentence they wrote (after what you quoted out of context) is in alignment with the studies you linked. Their point was that consumption behavior causes Type 2 diabetes, not the substance alone.
- miles 10y ago
  I'm not sure this can be much clearer: "For a while the association between sugar consumption and type 2 diabetes was thought to solely relate to weight gain, but new research conducted at UC San Francisco indicates that sugar intake may also be directly linked to diabetes." "As far as I know, this is the first paper that has had data on the relationship of sugar consumption to diabetes. This has been a source of controversy forever. It's been very, very difficult to separate sugar from the calories it provides. This work is carefully done, it's interesting and it deserves attention." Here's more on the study: Quantity of sugar in food supply linked to diabetes rates, researcher says https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2013/02/quantity-of-sugar-in-food-supply-linked-to-diabetes-rates-researcher-says.html https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2013/02/quantity-of-s... "Does eating too much sugar cause diabetes? For years, scientists have said 'not exactly.' Eating too much of any food, including sugar, can cause you to gain weight; it’s the resulting obesity that predisposes people to diabetes, according to the prevailing theory. "But now the results of a large epidemiological study suggest sugar may also have a direct, independent link to diabetes. Researchers from the Stanford University School of Medicine, the University of California-Berkeley and the University of California-San Francisco examined data on sugar availability and diabetes rates from 175 countries over the past decade. After accounting for obesity and a large array of other factors, the researchers found that increased sugar in a population’s food supply was linked to higher diabetes rates, independent of obesity rates. Their study was published Feb. 27 in PLOS ONE."

gukov 10y ago

I'm also T1 and I think that sugar definitely plays a role in both T1 and T2. Sugar directly interacts with pancreas, consumption of sugar has skyrocketed, diabetes rates have skyrocketed. The official word on T1D is that we don't know what exactly causes it, it's not "sugar definitely doesn't cause it."