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Mmmm...yes....truly those backwards conservatives don't have any real news. /me swirls whiskey and tips fedora Seriously, do you even recognize how condescend

Mmmm...yes....truly those backwards conservatives don't have any real news. /me swirls whiskey and tips fedora Seriously, do you even recognize how condescending you sound?

pklausler 10y ago
Tax cuts raise revenue! Saddam had WMDs and participated in 9/11! Global climate change is a myth/conspiracy! Obamacare will lead to high unemployment! Allowing transgendered women into ladies' rooms leads to assaults on our wimminfolk! The Earth is 6,020 years old and evolution is a Satanic lie! If Facebook is keeping "news" sources with this kind of debunked, disproven, dishonest "facts" out of my news stream, then I'm going to start spending more time on Facebook.
- angersock 10y ago
  You know, if folks didn't feel like they had to appeal to increasingly extreme positions in order to maintain audience size (because of other censorship), maybe those positions wouldn't get so much air time. Additionally, having them out in the open like that lets sane people like you and I go over and point out their silliness. The current approach just allows it to fester.
- gunshigh 10y ago
  Benghazi was the result of a YouTube video! We're not spying on your emails! I never sent classified information on that server! Drone strikes only hit terrorists! There are no secret "kill lists"! With this insurance program you'll get to keep your doctors! We aren't going to make you pay for insurance you don't need! The SuperDelegates are just a way to amplify Vox Populi! "If Facebook is keeping "news" like this, then I'm going to start spending more time on Facebook."
  - pdkl95 10y ago
    (Remember, the point was matching "empirical reality") > Benghazi was the result of a YouTube video! Meh. Who cares? That was an insignificant event compared to the climate and government policy. > We're not spying on your emails! This one uses the NSA's word game where they claim it's only a "search" when a human looks at it. While I suspect many regular politicians (including Obama) don't fully understand the subject, this one should be counted as a lie. > I never sent classified information on that server! Hillary still might be indicted for that, though I suspect the "rich and powerful" will trump "rule of law" as usual. It might be useful to stop framing everything as conservative-vs-liberal, and realize that there are rich people everywhere on the political spectrum. Their most successful strategy was getting everyone else to fight between themselves. As for empirical reality, I have no idea if it's true. If we're (very) lucky, the indictment will happen and the truth will be revealed in court. > Drone strikes only hit terrorists! I agree that this is a lie, but it's non-partisan. Drones strikes (and similar war crimes) started before Obama. > There are no secret "kill lists"! (same as above) > With this insurance program you'll get to keep your doctors! That's true. If you doctor or supplementary insurance decided to drop you instead of meeting the requirements of the Affordable Care Act, that's between you and your doctor. > We aren't going to make you pay for insurance you don't need! You plan to never use medical services? > The SuperDelegates are just a way to amplify Vox Populi! I'll agree this one is a lie. -- To summarize, nothing is perfect, but conservatives have a much more serious problem with reality. Most politicians play political games and dissemble to get what they want, but it's disingenuous to claim both side are similarly wrong. Denial of our climate problems, creationist beliefs, and claiming revenue can be increase with tax cuts (the main source of revenue) are in contradiction with reality in fundamental - and easily observable - ways.
    - gunshigh 10y ago
      But here's the thing: drawing the line between "conservatism" and "liberal" is arbitrary. Would you say that 100% of conservative beliefs are false and that 100% of liberal beliefs are true? The whole point of my counterarguments is that we should always be critical of views and of people who claim to espouse them. The Democratic party is just as corrupt as the Republican party -- just look at the Chicago machine.
      - pklausler 10y ago
        We're not talking about partisan preferences. We're talking about good and bad sources of journalism. News sources that use good journalistic practices (confirmation by second sources, publication of corrections, etc.) and that don't perpetuate debunked misinformation are preferable in my news feed over lower-quality "news" sources. If that penalizes certain partisan or ideological outlets, then tough.
    - ci5er 10y ago
      > Meh. Who cares? That was an insignificant event compared to the climate and government policy. Mostly agree except for that poor video-creating dude who was thrown in jail for a year, plus or minus, as part of cover for a lie during campaign season. Right or left - you've gotta admit that kind of sucks.
      - pdkl95 10y ago
        I forgot about that part, which does suck. Consider my "meh" a statement about picking the right battle. We can find abuses of power and corruption everywhere in government if we take the time to look for it, but some problems are larger and need immediate attention. As Londo Mollari said (B5 #3.11). Only an idiot fights a war on two fronts. Only the heir to the throne of the kingdom of idiots would fight a war on twelve fronts. Once our climate problems, wealth gap, the growing police/surveillance state, and other large problems are stabilized there will be time for these more mundane problems in government.
dang 10y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11661014 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11661014 and marked it off-topic.
- angersock 10y ago
  Thereby neatly illustrating the sort of censorship that happens here on HN and places like Facebook. You're not wrong, mind you--it just goes to show that community discussions are often sculpted and managed.

Mmmm...yes....truly those backwards conservatives don't have any real news. /me swirls whiskey and tips fedora Seriously, do you even recognize how condescending you sound?

pklausler 10y ago

Tax cuts raise revenue! Saddam had WMDs and participated in 9/11! Global climate change is a myth/conspiracy! Obamacare will lead to high unemployment! Allowing transgendered women into ladies' rooms leads to assaults on our wimminfolk! The Earth is 6,020 years old and evolution is a Satanic lie! If Facebook is keeping "news" sources with this kind of debunked, disproven, dishonest "facts" out of my news stream, then I'm going to start spending more time on Facebook.

angersock 10y ago
You know, if folks didn't feel like they had to appeal to increasingly extreme positions in order to maintain audience size (because of other censorship), maybe those positions wouldn't get so much air time. Additionally, having them out in the open like that lets sane people like you and I go over and point out their silliness. The current approach just allows it to fester.
gunshigh 10y ago
Benghazi was the result of a YouTube video! We're not spying on your emails! I never sent classified information on that server! Drone strikes only hit terrorists! There are no secret "kill lists"! With this insurance program you'll get to keep your doctors! We aren't going to make you pay for insurance you don't need! The SuperDelegates are just a way to amplify Vox Populi! "If Facebook is keeping "news" like this, then I'm going to start spending more time on Facebook."
- pdkl95 10y ago
  (Remember, the point was matching "empirical reality") > Benghazi was the result of a YouTube video! Meh. Who cares? That was an insignificant event compared to the climate and government policy. > We're not spying on your emails! This one uses the NSA's word game where they claim it's only a "search" when a human looks at it. While I suspect many regular politicians (including Obama) don't fully understand the subject, this one should be counted as a lie. > I never sent classified information on that server! Hillary still might be indicted for that, though I suspect the "rich and powerful" will trump "rule of law" as usual. It might be useful to stop framing everything as conservative-vs-liberal, and realize that there are rich people everywhere on the political spectrum. Their most successful strategy was getting everyone else to fight between themselves. As for empirical reality, I have no idea if it's true. If we're (very) lucky, the indictment will happen and the truth will be revealed in court. > Drone strikes only hit terrorists! I agree that this is a lie, but it's non-partisan. Drones strikes (and similar war crimes) started before Obama. > There are no secret "kill lists"! (same as above) > With this insurance program you'll get to keep your doctors! That's true. If you doctor or supplementary insurance decided to drop you instead of meeting the requirements of the Affordable Care Act, that's between you and your doctor. > We aren't going to make you pay for insurance you don't need! You plan to never use medical services? > The SuperDelegates are just a way to amplify Vox Populi! I'll agree this one is a lie. -- To summarize, nothing is perfect, but conservatives have a much more serious problem with reality. Most politicians play political games and dissemble to get what they want, but it's disingenuous to claim both side are similarly wrong. Denial of our climate problems, creationist beliefs, and claiming revenue can be increase with tax cuts (the main source of revenue) are in contradiction with reality in fundamental - and easily observable - ways.
  - gunshigh 10y ago
    But here's the thing: drawing the line between "conservatism" and "liberal" is arbitrary. Would you say that 100% of conservative beliefs are false and that 100% of liberal beliefs are true? The whole point of my counterarguments is that we should always be critical of views and of people who claim to espouse them. The Democratic party is just as corrupt as the Republican party -- just look at the Chicago machine.
    - pklausler 10y ago
      We're not talking about partisan preferences. We're talking about good and bad sources of journalism. News sources that use good journalistic practices (confirmation by second sources, publication of corrections, etc.) and that don't perpetuate debunked misinformation are preferable in my news feed over lower-quality "news" sources. If that penalizes certain partisan or ideological outlets, then tough.
  - ci5er 10y ago
    > Meh. Who cares? That was an insignificant event compared to the climate and government policy. Mostly agree except for that poor video-creating dude who was thrown in jail for a year, plus or minus, as part of cover for a lie during campaign season. Right or left - you've gotta admit that kind of sucks.
    - pdkl95 10y ago
      I forgot about that part, which does suck. Consider my "meh" a statement about picking the right battle. We can find abuses of power and corruption everywhere in government if we take the time to look for it, but some problems are larger and need immediate attention. As Londo Mollari said (B5 #3.11). Only an idiot fights a war on two fronts. Only the heir to the throne of the kingdom of idiots would fight a war on twelve fronts. Once our climate problems, wealth gap, the growing police/surveillance state, and other large problems are stabilized there will be time for these more mundane problems in government.

dang 10y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11661014 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11661014 and marked it off-topic.

angersock 10y ago
Thereby neatly illustrating the sort of censorship that happens here on HN and places like Facebook. You're not wrong, mind you--it just goes to show that community discussions are often sculpted and managed.