4 ms·

I weep for the software industry. Our lives are going to suck in 10 years.

by wowus 17y ago

pw0ncakes 17y ago
I'm pretty sure this complaint has existed as long as there have been programmers. If you want to program as they did in 1985, go work for a game company. Or find an investment bank looking for C++ developers; they're out there.
- gte910h 17y ago
  Last I checked, BOA in ATL couldn't find enough super good math/finance/C++ programmers, for instance.
  - btilly 17y ago
    Of course to do that you have to live in ATL. And work for BOA. Those were two excellent reasons that I had no interest when their recruiter came calling to ask if I was interested in applying to work there.
    - pw0ncakes 17y ago
      And write C++.
  - jrockway 17y ago
    It's because the people that are good with math, finance, and programming don't want to use C++ (or live in Atlanta). Remove the C++, and it becomes much easier to find people. Look at how successful companies like Jane Street Capital are in recruiting, for example, even though the pool of people that know OCaml is much smaller than the pool of people that know C++. (My experience with people that know math and finance is that they do all their work in Excel. That's because simple programs become 100-file boilerplate monsters in C++ and Java, and someone told them that Perl and Python are not real programming languages. Sigh. OTOH, turning spreadsheets into production software is profitable and enjoyable. Let the programmers program and let the finance people do finance.)
    - Maro 17y ago
      I'm good at math and programming and all the stuff required to work as a quant and I'd much rather write C++ than anything else.
      - gte910h 17y ago
        Well then enjoy: http://careers.bankofamerica.com/JobDetails.aspx?SearchPage=ASP&CountryId=1&JobId=0900037352 http://careers.bankofamerica.com/JobDetails.aspx?SearchPage=...
    - pw0ncakes 17y ago
      I know a bit about JSC. They are brilliant at recruiting and have some amazingly smart people.
    - gte910h 17y ago
      >My experience with people that know math and finance is that they do all their work in Excel We are not talking the same sort of people. We're talking the type of people who require huge super computers to run their algorithms.
- samratjp 17y ago
  So where would it be in 2010?
metamemetics 17y ago
Computer Science is the 5th highest paying undergrad degree right now. Also, my friend has a math and econ degree, never programmed, got a new job at a trading firm, guess what the first thing they want him to do is: learn C++. Even if the industry goes in the shitter I guarantee programmers will be better off than 90% of the economy.

I weep for the software industry. Our lives are going to suck in 10 years.

by wowus 17y ago

I weep for the software industry. Our lives are going to suck in 10 years.

I'm pretty sure this complaint has existed as long as there have been programmers. If you want to program as they did in 1985, go work for a game company. Or find an investment bank looking for C++ developers; they're out there.

gte910h 17y ago
Last I checked, BOA in ATL couldn't find enough super good math/finance/C++ programmers, for instance.
- btilly 17y ago
  Of course to do that you have to live in ATL. And work for BOA. Those were two excellent reasons that I had no interest when their recruiter came calling to ask if I was interested in applying to work there.
  - pw0ncakes 17y ago
    And write C++.
- jrockway 17y ago
  It's because the people that are good with math, finance, and programming don't want to use C++ (or live in Atlanta). Remove the C++, and it becomes much easier to find people. Look at how successful companies like Jane Street Capital are in recruiting, for example, even though the pool of people that know OCaml is much smaller than the pool of people that know C++. (My experience with people that know math and finance is that they do all their work in Excel. That's because simple programs become 100-file boilerplate monsters in C++ and Java, and someone told them that Perl and Python are not real programming languages. Sigh. OTOH, turning spreadsheets into production software is profitable and enjoyable. Let the programmers program and let the finance people do finance.)
  - Maro 17y ago
    I'm good at math and programming and all the stuff required to work as a quant and I'd much rather write C++ than anything else.
    - gte910h 17y ago
      Well then enjoy: http://careers.bankofamerica.com/JobDetails.aspx?SearchPage=ASP&CountryId=1&JobId=0900037352 http://careers.bankofamerica.com/JobDetails.aspx?SearchPage=...
  - pw0ncakes 17y ago
    I know a bit about JSC. They are brilliant at recruiting and have some amazingly smart people.
  - gte910h 17y ago
    >My experience with people that know math and finance is that they do all their work in Excel We are not talking the same sort of people. We're talking the type of people who require huge super computers to run their algorithms.
samratjp 17y ago
So where would it be in 2010?

metamemetics 17y ago

Computer Science is the 5th highest paying undergrad degree right now. Also, my friend has a math and econ degree, never programmed, got a new job at a trading firm, guess what the first thing they want him to do is: learn C++. Even if the industry goes in the shitter I guarantee programmers will be better off than 90% of the economy.