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The whole point is that they are finding real evidence through illegitimate means. If you try to say they are fabricating evidence out of whole cloth, no one wi
by btrask 10y ago
The whole point is that they are finding real evidence through illegitimate means. If you try to say they are fabricating evidence out of whole cloth, no one will believe you.
- themartorana 10y agoBut they are. It might be OJ's glove, but "we found it in his glove compartment" is a fabrication. It has nothing to do with guilt.
- nevdka 10y agoIn this case, it's like going from "the stingray told us you were in the house" to "we interviewed your neighbors and they say you were in the house". Interviewing neighbors is legitimate and can be used as evidence, but they wouldn't have interviewed them at all if they didn't use the stingray.
- woodman 10y agoThe lie would have to be comprehensive enough to justify conducting interviews in the neighborhood and everything that leads up to it, so even with the best of intentions (stop laughing) - it is very easy to unintentionally fabricate a lot of evidence. There isn't really any need to speculate though, the DEA proudly listed success stories for the "Hemisphere Project" - just look up the public information about those cases and see what lie they used for probable cause.
- grkvlt 10y agoWhat's the difference between 'the stingray told us' and 'we got an anonymous tip-off that you were in the house' which is then verified by interviewing all the neighbors and only the interviews are presented to the court?
- jonathankoren 10y agoReceiving anonymous tip isn't a search. Wiretapping -- which is what Stingray does -- is.
- evan_ 10y agoIn this case, "We got an anonymous tip" is a lie, and "we used Stingray" is not a lie.
- mirimir 10y agoBetter example: it's going from "our illegally obtained telephone intercept told us that your red 2013 Kenworth T800 headed north on I95 from Atlanta to New York this morning, with 2MT of cocaine in the fuel tanks". To telling the driver that "it looks like one of your tires is low", and working up to a search.