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Looks nice, but having a 1.1MB webpage with 7 different fonts seems somewhat wrong to me... We should start thinking about mobile clients who have to pay these

by Faaak 10y ago

Looks nice, but having a 1.1MB webpage with 7 different fonts seems somewhat wrong to me... We should start thinking about mobile clients who have to pay these MB.

omni 10y ago
If there's one product whose website can probably get away with not caring about mobile, it's a power-user text editor from the 1970s.
- yangyang 10y ago
  I run Emacs under termux on my Nexus 6P. Works great with exactly the same config I use on the desktop.
  - hueving 10y ago
    What keyboard do you use? Key combos are soooo slow on a touchscreen keyboard.
    - josteink 10y ago
      I have a Logitech k480 for my TV and Nexus 9. Works nicely with termux, Emacs and similar software.
    - yangyang 10y ago
      An old HP Touchpad Bluetooth keyboard. It works fine though not having a meta key on the left is a bit of a pain.
- epidemian 10y ago
  But the site has a responsive layout clearly designed to look nice on mobile screens (with hamburger menu and everything :), so, at least on some level, they are caring about mobile. BTW, the website looks really nice. Kudos!
  - mih 10y ago
    Also looks nice on Emacs' built-in web wowser (M-x eww)
- paulddraper 10y ago
  Yeah, if you can't handle a meg of downloads, are you sure you can handle the hundreds of megs of memory? :)
- mattl 10y ago
  1980s :) EMACS is from the 1970s, GNU Emacs 1980s...
gravypod 10y ago
Yea, it's a bit heavy of a load. I clicked the link, came back, and read this commend. Doesn't mean much, but it would have helped if the site was a tad smaller.
adiabatty 10y ago
They use Fira Sans and Fira Mono in a bunch of different weights. Looking at the source for <http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/fira.css> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/fira.css>, I can't help but wonder if mobile^W OS vendors could make the Web faster for their users if they'd just bundle every single popular free (beer and/or speech) font with their OSs and keep the fonts up-to-date. Of course, you should be sending along far-future Expires and Cache-Control headers, but this'll still be slower than local() accessing fonts that're bundled with the OS when someone visits a new site.
- tuananh 10y ago
  Then the question: which fonts should they bundle!? etc...
Hello71 10y ago
they're working toward making it Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping
jlg23 10y ago
I think they should start to consider mobile clients once those have a hyper key... I'm all for lean sites but emacs' site is one of those where I just don't care. Emacs users are sitting in front of a workstation and if they don't have a proper internet connection, they just install it from their unix distribution's CD/DVD. And it is also kind of adequate to have a bloated website... anyone remembers the joke to name a kernel "emacs" so that it says "LILO booting emacs..." at startup? ;)
- lokedhs 10y ago
  Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping (back when 8 MB was a lot) Or, more appropriate when explaining why it's not a good fit for touchscreens: Esc Meta Alt Control Shift
rtpg 10y ago
For those who might not realise it, the distribution is 600kb(!) in fonts, 400k in images, 100k in other stuff
JdeBP 10y ago
Given what people have observed about mean WWW page size ... * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9980228 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9980228 * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11548816 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11548816 ... what can be said now about the relative sizes of GNU emacs and its own WWW page? (-:
baby 10y ago
Do most plans not have unlimited data in America?

by Faaak 10y ago

Looks nice, but having a 1.1MB webpage with 7 different fonts seems somewhat wrong to me... We should start thinking about mobile clients who have to pay these MB.

omni 10y ago

If there's one product whose website can probably get away with not caring about mobile, it's a power-user text editor from the 1970s.

yangyang 10y ago
I run Emacs under termux on my Nexus 6P. Works great with exactly the same config I use on the desktop.
- hueving 10y ago
  What keyboard do you use? Key combos are soooo slow on a touchscreen keyboard.
  - josteink 10y ago
    I have a Logitech k480 for my TV and Nexus 9. Works nicely with termux, Emacs and similar software.
  - yangyang 10y ago
    An old HP Touchpad Bluetooth keyboard. It works fine though not having a meta key on the left is a bit of a pain.
epidemian 10y ago
But the site has a responsive layout clearly designed to look nice on mobile screens (with hamburger menu and everything :), so, at least on some level, they are caring about mobile. BTW, the website looks really nice. Kudos!
- mih 10y ago
  Also looks nice on Emacs' built-in web wowser (M-x eww)
paulddraper 10y ago
Yeah, if you can't handle a meg of downloads, are you sure you can handle the hundreds of megs of memory? :)
mattl 10y ago
1980s :) EMACS is from the 1970s, GNU Emacs 1980s...

gravypod 10y ago

Yea, it's a bit heavy of a load. I clicked the link, came back, and read this commend. Doesn't mean much, but it would have helped if the site was a tad smaller.

adiabatty 10y ago

They use Fira Sans and Fira Mono in a bunch of different weights. Looking at the source for <http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/fira.css> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/fira.css>, I can't help but wonder if mobile^W OS vendors could make the Web faster for their users if they'd just bundle every single popular free (beer and/or speech) font with their OSs and keep the fonts up-to-date. Of course, you should be sending along far-future Expires and Cache-Control headers, but this'll still be slower than local() accessing fonts that're bundled with the OS when someone visits a new site.

tuananh 10y ago
Then the question: which fonts should they bundle!? etc...

Hello71 10y ago

they're working toward making it Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping

jlg23 10y ago

I think they should start to consider mobile clients once those have a hyper key... I'm all for lean sites but emacs' site is one of those where I just don't care. Emacs users are sitting in front of a workstation and if they don't have a proper internet connection, they just install it from their unix distribution's CD/DVD. And it is also kind of adequate to have a bloated website... anyone remembers the joke to name a kernel "emacs" so that it says "LILO booting emacs..." at startup? ;)

lokedhs 10y ago
Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping (back when 8 MB was a lot) Or, more appropriate when explaining why it's not a good fit for touchscreens: Esc Meta Alt Control Shift

rtpg 10y ago

For those who might not realise it, the distribution is 600kb(!) in fonts, 400k in images, 100k in other stuff

JdeBP 10y ago

Given what people have observed about mean WWW page size ... * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9980228 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9980228 * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11548816 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11548816 ... what can be said now about the relative sizes of GNU emacs and its own WWW page? (-:

baby 10y ago

Do most plans not have unlimited data in America?