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Surprised to see the demo videos were captured on OS X and not GNU/Linux.
by satysin 10y ago
Surprised to see the demo videos were captured on OS X and not GNU/Linux.
- hellofunk 10y agoNot too surprising, OSX is a common platform for devs who are linux/unix-oriented but want a high-level OS with all the sleek GUIs and mainstream features. OSX is a certified Unix OS, after all, so it tends to speak to emacs users in a way that you won't typically find among the Windows base. Yes Unix is not Linux, but I see OSX widely used at hackathons and conferences because of its underpinnings.
- lqdc13 10y agoOne of the points of FSF is to never use closed software. OSX is not GPL.
- chris_wot 10y agoMakes me wonder why they have compatibility shims to allow their website show in browers like IE6... Yes, it's pedantic, but this GNU we are speaking about.
- lqdc13 10y agoThat would actually make sense. It might help more people see the light.
- oneeyedpigeon 10y agoReally? You think if I recommend emacs to someone using IE6 and they go view the site and it fails to display, that will somehow make them 'see the light'? I suspect the complete opposite is true and, hence, why gnu support browsers that aren't 100% GPLed.
- chris_wot 10y agoNobody is saying that it is practical, but GNU aren't known to make their stance on practicalities alone. GNU are known for their ideological purity, and a lot of people (some even quite grudgingly) admire them for their consistent stance.
- oneeyedpigeon 10y agoI'm sure they've addressed this very issue. They almost certainly just write to the standards and don't bother putting in any browser-specific hacks, which is pretty much the best way to do things anyway, IMHO.
- chris_wot 10y agoI saw at least one IE6 specific hack in their pages.
- AimHere 10y agoYou seem to be in agreement with the person you're replying to. They're saying that there's a compatibility shim so that more IE6 users can 'see the light'.
- ac2u 10y agoWell, to get picky about it, I believe the exception is that it's ok to use it while a non-closed alternative is in the works. I think the example Stallman uses in his talks is that of software controlling a life saving medical device. Obviously the use case in point doesn't come under that though. :)
- rekado 10y ago"Free" does not mean "GPL" only. If OSX were released under any of the many free licenses it would be fine, but sadly it is just proprietary software with some free components.
- kleiba 10y agoI think the OP's point was more targeted toward the fact that OSX is a non-free operating system, and Emacs is part of the GNU project.
- peatfreak 10y agoYes. I doubt that somebody who was so close to the GNU project as to have authorization to change the main Emacs website wouldn't know about this. Clearly it's just a simple mistake, easily fixed.
- webkike 10y agoThe issue is not that the OS is not Linux, it's that the OS is not free
- gosukiwi 10y agoMost likely they were created by the one who made the website, which most likely used OS X like most designers :p
- madeofpalk 10y agoDesigners rarely make a website - they just design it.
- smonff 10y agoWith explanations like this, guinea pigs could fly.
- thomasahle 10y agoYup, but the main screenshot looks like Gnome, so I think it actually works quite well to show how cross platform Emacs is.
- peatfreak 10y agoHmm, I'm not so sure that's what the intention is. The FSF is adamant that non-free software should not be promoted if there is a free equivalent that can do the same thing. So I'm also surprised that OS X features prominently, like this, on the front page.
- cm3 10y agoThe emacsrocks videos existed before the website refresh and weren't created for gnu.org, but I can imagine Richard asking for new videos to advertise the GNU platform instead.
- peatfreak 10y ago> I can imagine Richard asking for new videos to advertise the GNU platform instead. Me too. He often asks for corrections in light of these types of oversights (at least, it looks like an oversight to me).
- satysin 10y agoYeah this is what I figured, still kind of surprised to see the new site go live with them. It isn't all that difficult to make a simple screencast on Linux to show off some of the basics.
- Semiapies 10y agoI've seen that a lot in Emacs videos and screenshots, the last few years.
- peatfreak 10y agoEven in videos and screenshots that are endorsed by the FSF? I find that hard to believe.
- Semiapies 10y agoBelieving in things nobody actually said is of variable difficulty.
- peatfreak 10y agoBut of course screenshots and videos made in OS X are available, especially considering Emacs has been running on that OS since forever. The point of interest here is that it's on an FSF website. Otherwise I don't see why you would even bother to point it out.
- Semiapies 10y ago1) I'm an Emacs user and enthusiast. 2) I look into a lot of videos about Emacs. 3) I've noticed that, recently, many of these videos and screenshots are by people using OS X. 4) Someone wondered about an OS X video on the Emacs site. 5) I pointed out #3.
- criddell 10y agoI'm surprised they weren't captured from within Emacs using some janky elisp video encoder.
- Semiapies 10y agoSomeone went for quality and not purity, actually picking interesting videos instead of clips of someone describing the basics in a monotone.
- iKlsR 10y agoAs someone browsing hn in emacs atm, I chuckled.
- lokedhs 10y agoUsing eww? If not, are you using a mode that allows you to both read and post comments? I didn't find any so I was considering writing one, but if you already solved the problem for me, I'd love to hear about it.
- S4M 10y agoThe videos are from emacsrocks.com, not from the GNU website itself.
- sndean 10y agoYour comment made me look again at the list of FSF endorsed OSs: http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.en.html http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.en.html I'm still surprised at how few there are.
- Normal_gaussian 10y agohttp://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.en.html http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.en.html This explains why many are not considered free, though the summary could simply be "the Linux kernel contains non-free blobs" and "they haven't promised not to allow non-free in their package repo's"
- rafadc 10y agoI hope that with the change of maintainer we, emacs users, can have some sanity regarding that concern and avoid the "emacs as a trojan horse so everyone switches to gnu" mentality.
- GFK_of_xmaspast 10y agoWhat kind of video capture options does a hurd user have available.
- pjmlp 10y agoThis is nothing, what about attending FOSDEM and seeing the majority carrying iDevices?