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you should list it on all the jeep and offroader forums, since those guys will be much more likely to want something exactly like that. And will be much more wi

by vaksel 17y ago

you should list it on all the jeep and offroader forums, since those guys will be much more likely to want something exactly like that. And will be much more willing to pay something like that. Car guys see a rare car with tons of mods and a great price. Non-car guys see a 30 year old jeep.

thaumaturgy 17y ago
Car guy here. (Working on an authentic 1917 model T speedster, also have a 1972 Jeep J-4000, 1990 Firebird, and a 1987 AMC Eagle in pieces.) It's ... well, it's an interesting vehicle, anyway. I'm not sure how someone would say that they "restored" a 14-year-old vehicle by giving it Corvette colors; I'm not sure why you'd put a Chevy engine into an old Jeep and then mate that up to an automatic transmission, and figure it's good for anything other than the easiest of Jeep trails. The fact that the seller uses the phrase "they tell me" when talking about bubbling paint being a sign of water leakage is somewhat worrisome -- if he's not sure about that kind of thing, then what does that say about the rest of the work done on it? And, blaming the vehicle's inability to brake easily on the engine's power and the size of the tires is just wrong. Braking distance is a function of the braking system, the vehicle's speed, the vehicle's mass, the vehicle's front suspension, and the vehicle's tires (where bigger tires are better). Daniel and I disagree pretty strongly on environmental matters, and I'm trying very hard not to let that affect my reaction to this. But, as a car guy that can really appreciate a custom vehicle done right ... well, I sincerely wish him good luck on the sale at that price. I also think that putting $30,000 into a car project to get that sort of result might, on reflection, provide some insight into what's holding back his startup ideas.
- jacquesm 17y ago
  Car guy here. Restored several cars from the ground up, including complete strip-downs, body work, engine overhauls and so on. When restoring 'young' but interesting cars (my favorites are 'minis' but I've done two Citroen DS's) it is not unusual to put a lot of money and time in to a car that you end up with a car that has a book value that is less than the money that you put in to it (and that's already valuing your time at '0'), that really doesn't have any bearing on anything else other than that restoring young cars is a thing you do when you plan to keep a car, or for sentimental reasons, not because you think of it as a business proposition. Hobbies cost money. Who knows why that engine and gearbox ended up in that car, it simply may have been what was available to him at his budget at the time, or it is possible that he got it in that state. The fact that Daniel did that, and is willing to sell his car for it's market value in order to extend the 'runway' of his startup speaks volumes about him and his character and gives you an indication why he has quite a few people that wish him the best, apparently unlike you. The ability to put sentiment aside and to look at a car as a liquid-able asset is really a pretty strong indicator of a business mentality that transcends simply asking others for their cash, plenty of us 'successful' entrepreneurs have at one stage or other in life done just that in order to be able to make something happen. > Daniel and I disagree pretty strongly on environmental matters, and I'm trying very hard not to let that affect my reaction to this. I think you utterly failed at that.
  - thaumaturgy 17y ago
    Fair enough. I'd delete the comment if I could. I apologize, Daniel. That was uncalled-for.

by vaksel 17y ago

thaumaturgy 17y ago

Car guy here. (Working on an authentic 1917 model T speedster, also have a 1972 Jeep J-4000, 1990 Firebird, and a 1987 AMC Eagle in pieces.) It's ... well, it's an interesting vehicle, anyway. I'm not sure how someone would say that they "restored" a 14-year-old vehicle by giving it Corvette colors; I'm not sure why you'd put a Chevy engine into an old Jeep and then mate that up to an automatic transmission, and figure it's good for anything other than the easiest of Jeep trails. The fact that the seller uses the phrase "they tell me" when talking about bubbling paint being a sign of water leakage is somewhat worrisome -- if he's not sure about that kind of thing, then what does that say about the rest of the work done on it? And, blaming the vehicle's inability to brake easily on the engine's power and the size of the tires is just wrong. Braking distance is a function of the braking system, the vehicle's speed, the vehicle's mass, the vehicle's front suspension, and the vehicle's tires (where bigger tires are better). Daniel and I disagree pretty strongly on environmental matters, and I'm trying very hard not to let that affect my reaction to this. But, as a car guy that can really appreciate a custom vehicle done right ... well, I sincerely wish him good luck on the sale at that price. I also think that putting $30,000 into a car project to get that sort of result might, on reflection, provide some insight into what's holding back his startup ideas.

jacquesm 17y ago
Car guy here. Restored several cars from the ground up, including complete strip-downs, body work, engine overhauls and so on. When restoring 'young' but interesting cars (my favorites are 'minis' but I've done two Citroen DS's) it is not unusual to put a lot of money and time in to a car that you end up with a car that has a book value that is less than the money that you put in to it (and that's already valuing your time at '0'), that really doesn't have any bearing on anything else other than that restoring young cars is a thing you do when you plan to keep a car, or for sentimental reasons, not because you think of it as a business proposition. Hobbies cost money. Who knows why that engine and gearbox ended up in that car, it simply may have been what was available to him at his budget at the time, or it is possible that he got it in that state. The fact that Daniel did that, and is willing to sell his car for it's market value in order to extend the 'runway' of his startup speaks volumes about him and his character and gives you an indication why he has quite a few people that wish him the best, apparently unlike you. The ability to put sentiment aside and to look at a car as a liquid-able asset is really a pretty strong indicator of a business mentality that transcends simply asking others for their cash, plenty of us 'successful' entrepreneurs have at one stage or other in life done just that in order to be able to make something happen. > Daniel and I disagree pretty strongly on environmental matters, and I'm trying very hard not to let that affect my reaction to this. I think you utterly failed at that.
- thaumaturgy 17y ago
  Fair enough. I'd delete the comment if I could. I apologize, Daniel. That was uncalled-for.