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What Elon said made perfect sense to me. They have an internal date of July 1 for both external and internal suppliers to meet. But statistically, given there a

by jrv 10y ago

What Elon said made perfect sense to me. They have an internal date of July 1 for both external and internal suppliers to meet. But statistically, given there are thousands of parts, they know it's very unlikely that even with the highest committment, everyone will be ready on time. That's all factored in. So as he said, it will then take some number of months to get those last stragglers sorted out before production can actually start. What would you suggest? Maybe he should just not have mentioned the earlier internal target date, if people are going to be that confused by it. EDIT: as for other manufacturers, I have no idea, but the question is more whether they talk about their internal target dates at all. Elon never said that production actually would start on July 1 (but more like "before end of 2017"), so calling this a "delay" is just wrong.

forgetsusername 10y ago
>That's all factored in You seem to be confused about what "factored in" means: >it will then take some number of months How many months? That's "factoring it in". "Some months" provides zero information. >so calling this a "delay" is just wrong. Of course there's no delay yet, it's all just talk. I think it's people planning for the inevitable delay, based on historical manufacturing results and this nebulous fudge factor. The big news is the call of 500k cars by 2018 (100k-200k in 2017). If they can pull that off it's insane. >their internal target dates at all Again, who cares about some random internal date that may be off by some unknown number of months? What information do we glean from it? It's nigh useless. And other manufacturers are far more transparent about their actual financial and production information.
- jrv 10y ago
  I don't feel confused about this and still think the article makes it sound like they are missing a publicly promised date (which may still happen in the future, but at the moment and regarding the July 1 date, that's just wrong), but I invite everyone to listen to the call themselves: http://edge.media-server.com/m/p/c67hnavs http://edge.media-server.com/m/p/c67hnavs EDIT: If you do add a bunch of stuff to your comments after the fact, it'd be nice to put an EDIT marker somewhere at least.
  - forgetsusername 10y ago
    >If you do add a bunch of stuff to your comments after the fact I added a couple lines and fixed typos, within minutes of posting. Maybe you could mellow out and not feel like you need to reply instantaneously? The Tesla fans are touchy today...
    - dang 10y ago
      Your comments continue to be uncivil despite repeated requests to stop doing this. I almost banned your account for this, but it does seem like your comments have improved, so instead I'll just ask you to please improve them more. That means respecting the people you're talking to, even if they're wrong, instead of jabbing them.

by jrv 10y ago

forgetsusername 10y ago

>That's all factored in You seem to be confused about what "factored in" means: >it will then take some number of months How many months? That's "factoring it in". "Some months" provides zero information. >so calling this a "delay" is just wrong. Of course there's no delay yet, it's all just talk. I think it's people planning for the inevitable delay, based on historical manufacturing results and this nebulous fudge factor. The big news is the call of 500k cars by 2018 (100k-200k in 2017). If they can pull that off it's insane. >their internal target dates at all Again, who cares about some random internal date that may be off by some unknown number of months? What information do we glean from it? It's nigh useless. And other manufacturers are far more transparent about their actual financial and production information.

jrv 10y ago
I don't feel confused about this and still think the article makes it sound like they are missing a publicly promised date (which may still happen in the future, but at the moment and regarding the July 1 date, that's just wrong), but I invite everyone to listen to the call themselves: http://edge.media-server.com/m/p/c67hnavs http://edge.media-server.com/m/p/c67hnavs EDIT: If you do add a bunch of stuff to your comments after the fact, it'd be nice to put an EDIT marker somewhere at least.
- forgetsusername 10y ago
  >If you do add a bunch of stuff to your comments after the fact I added a couple lines and fixed typos, within minutes of posting. Maybe you could mellow out and not feel like you need to reply instantaneously? The Tesla fans are touchy today...
  - dang 10y ago
    Your comments continue to be uncivil despite repeated requests to stop doing this. I almost banned your account for this, but it does seem like your comments have improved, so instead I'll just ask you to please improve them more. That means respecting the people you're talking to, even if they're wrong, instead of jabbing them.