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Tangentially related but the comments are the best part IMO: > Anton Korn 2 days ago > I believe that there should be some sort of a software based limit on t

Tangentially related but the comments are the best part IMO: > Anton Korn 2 days ago > I believe that there should be some sort of a software based limit on the maximum acceleration for new or unexperienced drivers. > No 18 year old should be given the option to drive a supercar. it is just too dangerous. >> Kerry Manning > Anton Korn 2 days ago >> I believe that the software has been around for quite a while. It is an advanced neural network commonly referred to as "a parent". :) >>> Going Knightly > Kerry Manning a day ago >>> Said software, unfortunately, only controls the vehicle as long as the drivers are within observational range. Once the vehicle leaves said range, the software is defunct and is running on the backup operating system "Wishful Thinking 2.0". >>>> Kerry Manning > Going Knightly a day ago >>>> Actually parenting is more about teaching your kids to do the responsible thing when nobody is watching. Without that it's not "parenting" it's "babysitting"

chillacy 11y ago
> Actually parenting is more about teaching your kids to do the responsible thing when nobody is watching. Without that it's not "parenting" it's "babysitting" Supervised learning with holdout data
theothermkn 11y ago
It's like Kerry Manning is deliberately ignoring that 18-year-old brains aren't "finished" with respect to judgment and perceiving consequences. Manning's argument is blatantly circular, simply assuming that Korn is mistaken that there is an issue with late adolescent brains in order to assert that 'programming' late adolescent brains with parenting is the answer. For "the best part," that was really disappointing.
- Camillo 11y ago
  I'll begin considering this argument when 18 year olds are no longer allowed to vote.
  - eru 11y ago
    Why? Voting only has influence in aggregate.
    - ajuc 11y ago
      That's very poor argument.
      - eru 11y ago
        I toned it down from `Voting doesn't change anything on the margin.'
- colejohnson66 11y ago
  So 18 year old brains aren't fully developers, yet we allow them to drop out of high school, buy a car or house, vote, go to war, get a license without a permit or behind the wheel, etc. Why should driving be any different? Any problems arising out of a bad 18 year old driver are because they don't understand the risks because they've never encountered the consequences.
grecy 11y ago
In Australia there are power to weight restrictions for new drivers and they can't ride a motorbike over 250cc for the first year.
- Schwolop 11y ago
  From VicRoads: The list is primarily determined by assessing the power-to-weight ratio and engine capacity of motorcycles. If the power-to-weight ratio of a motorcycle exceeds 150 kilowatts per tonne or the engine capacity exceeds 660cc, the motorcycle will not be included on the list. Motorcycles may also be excluded from the LAMS list if they have other characteristics that make them unsuitable for learners, for example, being found to be overrepresented in crashes. I believe the limit is 660cc in other states too. At any rate, it's a bit of a moot point because all electric motorcycles are LAMS-approved and their acceleration is absolutely ridiculous.
jrcii 11y ago
>software based limit on the maximum acceleration That strikes me as a bad idea. There are scenarios where you need to accelerate your car as quickly as possible to move out of the way of danger or avoid an accident.
- ygra 11y ago
  And how frequent are those situations compared to those where people accelerate too quickly and lose control of their car? That's like the argument that seatbelts are dangerous or lethal in some situations. Sure they are. But in all other situations they save lives and reduce injuries.
  - jrcii 11y ago
    Possibly more frequent, though neither of us have data. Driving at too high a cruising speed to have adequate reaction time is common, I've never known anyone to crash a car because they lost control during acceleration (motorcycles yes). In contrast, based on my admittedly anecdotal experiences, it's common to accelerate to avoid someone who, for instance, ran a red light or stop sign.
    - ygra 11y ago
      Ok, phrased misleadingly, I guess. My thought was more along the line of »How frequently would I need to speed up to avoid something instead of slowing down?« – generally it doesn't seem wise to me to add more energy to a situation and so far I haven't come across a situation where slowing down wasn't an appropriate response (granted, something heavy coming up fast from behind is an issue, but that also only helps if there's nothing in the front to speed into). Anecdotal as well, also with a huge grain of salt, considering that despite being somewhat old, I'm only allowed to drive since December. To other drivers I'm probably overly cautious, I guess.
    - TrevorJ 11y ago
      It's a whole different ballgame with a high performance car. Most modern supercars require a lot of care to drive safely.

chillacy 11y ago

> Actually parenting is more about teaching your kids to do the responsible thing when nobody is watching. Without that it's not "parenting" it's "babysitting" Supervised learning with holdout data

theothermkn 11y ago

It's like Kerry Manning is deliberately ignoring that 18-year-old brains aren't "finished" with respect to judgment and perceiving consequences. Manning's argument is blatantly circular, simply assuming that Korn is mistaken that there is an issue with late adolescent brains in order to assert that 'programming' late adolescent brains with parenting is the answer. For "the best part," that was really disappointing.

Camillo 11y ago
I'll begin considering this argument when 18 year olds are no longer allowed to vote.
- eru 11y ago
  Why? Voting only has influence in aggregate.
  - ajuc 11y ago
    That's very poor argument.
    - eru 11y ago
      I toned it down from `Voting doesn't change anything on the margin.'
colejohnson66 11y ago
So 18 year old brains aren't fully developers, yet we allow them to drop out of high school, buy a car or house, vote, go to war, get a license without a permit or behind the wheel, etc. Why should driving be any different? Any problems arising out of a bad 18 year old driver are because they don't understand the risks because they've never encountered the consequences.

grecy 11y ago

In Australia there are power to weight restrictions for new drivers and they can't ride a motorbike over 250cc for the first year.

Schwolop 11y ago
From VicRoads: The list is primarily determined by assessing the power-to-weight ratio and engine capacity of motorcycles. If the power-to-weight ratio of a motorcycle exceeds 150 kilowatts per tonne or the engine capacity exceeds 660cc, the motorcycle will not be included on the list. Motorcycles may also be excluded from the LAMS list if they have other characteristics that make them unsuitable for learners, for example, being found to be overrepresented in crashes. I believe the limit is 660cc in other states too. At any rate, it's a bit of a moot point because all electric motorcycles are LAMS-approved and their acceleration is absolutely ridiculous.

jrcii 11y ago

>software based limit on the maximum acceleration That strikes me as a bad idea. There are scenarios where you need to accelerate your car as quickly as possible to move out of the way of danger or avoid an accident.

ygra 11y ago
And how frequent are those situations compared to those where people accelerate too quickly and lose control of their car? That's like the argument that seatbelts are dangerous or lethal in some situations. Sure they are. But in all other situations they save lives and reduce injuries.
- jrcii 11y ago
  Possibly more frequent, though neither of us have data. Driving at too high a cruising speed to have adequate reaction time is common, I've never known anyone to crash a car because they lost control during acceleration (motorcycles yes). In contrast, based on my admittedly anecdotal experiences, it's common to accelerate to avoid someone who, for instance, ran a red light or stop sign.
  - ygra 11y ago
    Ok, phrased misleadingly, I guess. My thought was more along the line of »How frequently would I need to speed up to avoid something instead of slowing down?« – generally it doesn't seem wise to me to add more energy to a situation and so far I haven't come across a situation where slowing down wasn't an appropriate response (granted, something heavy coming up fast from behind is an issue, but that also only helps if there's nothing in the front to speed into). Anecdotal as well, also with a huge grain of salt, considering that despite being somewhat old, I'm only allowed to drive since December. To other drivers I'm probably overly cautious, I guess.
  - TrevorJ 11y ago
    It's a whole different ballgame with a high performance car. Most modern supercars require a lot of care to drive safely.