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> Make men's rooms into generally accessible restrooms and leave ladies rooms as ladies rooms. This is an idiotic non-solution, as should be obvious to anyone
by gaur 10y ago
> Make men's rooms into generally accessible restrooms and leave ladies rooms as ladies rooms.
This is an idiotic non-solution, as should be obvious to anyone who has even a little capacity to think from the perspective of a trans person.
If you look, dress, and sound like a woman, the natural restroom for you to use is the women's restroom. So if you're a trans woman who's transitioned, you use the women's restroom, not the "men's plus" restroom.
The only way you can stop trans women from using women's restrooms is by enforcing some HB2-like checking of birth certificates, which is exactly the situation that NC is in right now.
So either trans people use whatever bathroom they want, with nobody trying to check any birth certificates (i.e, the pre-HB2 situation), or trans people are prohibited from using certain bathrooms because of what it says on their birth certificate (i.e., the post-HB2 situation).
What exactly is your shitty "solution" accomplishing here?
- humanrebar 10y ago> What exactly is your shitty "solution" accomplishing here? And more evidence on group polarization appears before our eyes.
- gaur 10y agohttps://xkcd.com/774/ https://xkcd.com/774/
- humanrebar 10y agoCalling someone on vitriol isn't claiming sainthood. Knowing 2 + 2 = 4 doesn't make me a genius at mathematics either.
- dang 10y agoPlease don't break the HN guidelines by calling names ('idiotic', 'shitty') in comments here, regardless of how wrong another comment is. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- brightball 10y agoNot saying a "men's plus". Saying have an everyone and a ladies only. Ladies rooms tend to have longer lines and also tend to be stocked with additional products. The concern raised by supporters of the bill his largely been unwanted men entering ladies rooms. This solution would totally address that concern in a cost effective manner.
- gaur 10y ago> The concern raised by supporters of the bill his largely been unwanted men entering ladies rooms. The fact that the criterion revolves around birth certificates (as opposed to, say, state ID) shows quite clearly that the point of the bill is to punish trans people.