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I might have given the wrong impression: at my current job in France, I'm hired by a very corporate guy who spent years working at the State owned energy compan

I might have given the wrong impression: at my current job in France, I'm hired by a very corporate guy who spent years working at the State owned energy company, and he required some telephone references and some tests at an external head hunter. My guess is that corporate France still likes to use the Downton Abbey method, but at previous startups it was more about resumé, interviews and actual written code.

pyrale 11y ago
Contacting former employers or talking about your former employees to a prospective employer is illegal in France. Although it's hard to prove, when they don't ask you directly to give contacts away.
- nraynaud 11y ago
  I did ask my former bosses first, and asked them to give the right speech calibrated for the job posting. I think it's the last time I go through this process, because the job is not worth the effort, neither in personal fulfillment nor in salary, at least I tried the "startup by the corporate guy" route.
- tokenadult 10y ago
  Contacting former employers or talking about your former employees to a prospective employer is illegal in France. The law is different here in the United States, of course, and in most countries. I wonder how much of the slow economic growth and high unemployment in France is connected to this information-denying and thus efficiency-frustrating law?
  - nraynaud 10y ago
    I don't think it plays a role it would more be a level playing field if they were not using schools and diplomas as a signal for employment. A lot of people agree that our main problem is that our managers are shit while our engineers are ok.
  - Bartweiss 10y ago
    I'm skeptical that it makes a huge difference. After all, US employers are pretty cautious about giving real information when contacted - the questions may be legal, but you can still get sued over the answers. Most of the "real" information in either setting flows informally. It can't help, but it's hard to imagine that's anywhere near the top of France's legislative issues.
  - pyrale 10y ago
    You realize that these same laws were in place when economic condition were different, right ? On a more general note, I would to reconsider your appreciation about France, and in general, about countries which work differently from yours. Unemployment in France is a huge social impediment, but I don't believe it has nearly as much effects on the economy as you think it has. One of the reasons for it is that jobless people are low-productivity, low-qualification which, if employed, would not contribute significantly to our economy. Also by increasing work price, pressure is created on companies to improve work efficiency. I wouldn't say there is a strong connection, but UK's productivity puzzle has been conjectured to be linked with zero-hour jobs.

pyrale 11y ago

Contacting former employers or talking about your former employees to a prospective employer is illegal in France. Although it's hard to prove, when they don't ask you directly to give contacts away.

nraynaud 11y ago
I did ask my former bosses first, and asked them to give the right speech calibrated for the job posting. I think it's the last time I go through this process, because the job is not worth the effort, neither in personal fulfillment nor in salary, at least I tried the "startup by the corporate guy" route.
tokenadult 10y ago
Contacting former employers or talking about your former employees to a prospective employer is illegal in France. The law is different here in the United States, of course, and in most countries. I wonder how much of the slow economic growth and high unemployment in France is connected to this information-denying and thus efficiency-frustrating law?
- nraynaud 10y ago
  I don't think it plays a role it would more be a level playing field if they were not using schools and diplomas as a signal for employment. A lot of people agree that our main problem is that our managers are shit while our engineers are ok.
- Bartweiss 10y ago
  I'm skeptical that it makes a huge difference. After all, US employers are pretty cautious about giving real information when contacted - the questions may be legal, but you can still get sued over the answers. Most of the "real" information in either setting flows informally. It can't help, but it's hard to imagine that's anywhere near the top of France's legislative issues.
- pyrale 10y ago
  You realize that these same laws were in place when economic condition were different, right ? On a more general note, I would to reconsider your appreciation about France, and in general, about countries which work differently from yours. Unemployment in France is a huge social impediment, but I don't believe it has nearly as much effects on the economy as you think it has. One of the reasons for it is that jobless people are low-productivity, low-qualification which, if employed, would not contribute significantly to our economy. Also by increasing work price, pressure is created on companies to improve work efficiency. I wouldn't say there is a strong connection, but UK's productivity puzzle has been conjectured to be linked with zero-hour jobs.