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> and will absolutely smoke an accord in a 0-60 and 1/4 mile race Yeah, that's just the right argument. I'm sure you are talking about taking your car to the t

by gutnor 10y ago

> and will absolutely smoke an accord in a 0-60 and 1/4 mile race Yeah, that's just the right argument. I'm sure you are talking about taking your car to the track, no driving like a reckless idiot.

dragontamer 10y ago
Funny thing is, Tesla Model S isn't your best value for money as a track car either. Its 4500lbs minimum, the P85D is even heavier (larger batteries I guess?). Its got a skidpad turn of .85g, while the good high-performance cars are .95g or higher. A $25,000 Subaru WRX achieves 5-star safety rating and gets 1:45 Laguna Seca lap time. The Tesla Model S "Performance Edition" gets a 1:48 Laguna Seca lap time. https://forums.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/model-s-laguna-seca-lap-times https://forums.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/model-s-laguna-s... I think its weight forces the Tesla S to take slower and wider turns, while the more nimble cars manage to beat it on the Track. Once you leave the 30k price range and into the cars that are ACTUALLY competing against the Tesla Model S, you start getting to Cadelac CTS-V and faster cars. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la6BZ89Z6bs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la6BZ89Z6bs 1:38 on the CTS-V. And yes, the CTS-V is a large 4000lb luxury 4-door sedan. Its price, size, and weight-competitive against the Model S.
- brobinson 10y ago
  Heavier cars also wear through tires faster and put more stress and heat on the tires/brake pads/rotors.
  - dragontamer 10y ago
    Speaking of heat, I hear that Tesla's motors and brakes heat up a lot more on a track. To the point where the brakes and engine start throttling the car down a bit after a lap or two. Which is fine. My personal car of choice apparently overheats its brakes on the Laguna Seca under stock settings (Ford Focus, although the recent "RS" edition looks to have significantly better specs for a track). Its a challenging track. So the Tesla Model S isn't the only car that is unable to sustain high-performance throughout an entire course. But lets not pretend that the Model S is a real performance car or anything, not until it starts placing somewhere impressive on a track somewhere (Laguna Seca, Nürburgring, or whatever) -------------- http://jalopnik.com/heres-what-a-tesla-model-s-can-do-around-the-nurburgrin-1600644908 http://jalopnik.com/heres-what-a-tesla-model-s-can-do-around... > "The lap itself was around 10 minutes Bridge to Gantry (in heavy traffic) but unfortunately the car went into a reduced power mode about 3 minutes in due to excess battery heat (at least, that's my guess)." So there's probably some heat issue with regards to Tesla Model S on serious test tracks. All in all, the Tesla isn't a "performance" car, although it "isn't slow" by any stretch of the imagination.

by gutnor 10y ago

> and will absolutely smoke an accord in a 0-60 and 1/4 mile race Yeah, that's just the right argument. I'm sure you are talking about taking your car to the track, no driving like a reckless idiot.

dragontamer 10y ago

Funny thing is, Tesla Model S isn't your best value for money as a track car either. Its 4500lbs minimum, the P85D is even heavier (larger batteries I guess?). Its got a skidpad turn of .85g, while the good high-performance cars are .95g or higher. A $25,000 Subaru WRX achieves 5-star safety rating and gets 1:45 Laguna Seca lap time. The Tesla Model S "Performance Edition" gets a 1:48 Laguna Seca lap time. https://forums.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/model-s-laguna-seca-lap-times https://forums.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/model-s-laguna-s... I think its weight forces the Tesla S to take slower and wider turns, while the more nimble cars manage to beat it on the Track. Once you leave the 30k price range and into the cars that are ACTUALLY competing against the Tesla Model S, you start getting to Cadelac CTS-V and faster cars. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la6BZ89Z6bs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la6BZ89Z6bs 1:38 on the CTS-V. And yes, the CTS-V is a large 4000lb luxury 4-door sedan. Its price, size, and weight-competitive against the Model S.

brobinson 10y ago
Heavier cars also wear through tires faster and put more stress and heat on the tires/brake pads/rotors.
- dragontamer 10y ago
  Speaking of heat, I hear that Tesla's motors and brakes heat up a lot more on a track. To the point where the brakes and engine start throttling the car down a bit after a lap or two. Which is fine. My personal car of choice apparently overheats its brakes on the Laguna Seca under stock settings (Ford Focus, although the recent "RS" edition looks to have significantly better specs for a track). Its a challenging track. So the Tesla Model S isn't the only car that is unable to sustain high-performance throughout an entire course. But lets not pretend that the Model S is a real performance car or anything, not until it starts placing somewhere impressive on a track somewhere (Laguna Seca, Nürburgring, or whatever) -------------- http://jalopnik.com/heres-what-a-tesla-model-s-can-do-around-the-nurburgrin-1600644908 http://jalopnik.com/heres-what-a-tesla-model-s-can-do-around... > "The lap itself was around 10 minutes Bridge to Gantry (in heavy traffic) but unfortunately the car went into a reduced power mode about 3 minutes in due to excess battery heat (at least, that's my guess)." So there's probably some heat issue with regards to Tesla Model S on serious test tracks. All in all, the Tesla isn't a "performance" car, although it "isn't slow" by any stretch of the imagination.