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On a more reflective / somber note. I am a huge fan of the idea of empowering all classes of people. So the fact that this lady was able to disrupt the flight

On a more reflective / somber note. I am a huge fan of the idea of empowering all classes of people. So the fact that this lady was able to disrupt the flight is I think (big picture) a good thing. Instead of simply dismissing this person as ignorant, I hope folks on this forum will take a moment to reflect on the tragic state of the entire system. If we're going to enable / empower all classes of people we (those in a position to make a difference) need to do a better job of raising the bar, and helping all those in need to raise their own bar too.

JoeAltmaier 10y ago
Not such a fan of empowering idiots to cause serious, pointless obstruction for hundreds of people. There are just too many idiots.
- datashovel 10y ago
  It's likely you were not among those this post was directed toward. Sorry for the confusion.
  - ignoramceisblis 10y ago
    Rather than confront the people who are describing the (negative) consequences of your way of thinking, you instead disregard their shared commentary as being off-topic. A class act. You hope your logic will live on, yet you choose to ignore its contradictions.
    - datashovel 10y ago
      To be honest, it is threads of comments like this that make me wish HN had a Mute or Block option. I apologize, but it's just not worth continuing this conversation because we are talking about completely different things.
deoptimo 10y ago
On a less somber note, you are praising the empowerment of ignorant people to become secret informants on behalf of a security state with the power to disrupt the lives of others. This is a tried and proven path that many countries have followed and we all know where it leads.
- datashovel 10y ago
  Please read the post again. It's clear you've jumped to conclusions. Perhaps you're not among those who this post was directed toward?
  - tremon 10y ago
    Your post amounts to "I'm glad these idiots found a voice, now that they finally affect us all, we can do something about it". But your assumption that they affect us all equally is not supported by this story, otherwise all passengers on that plane would have been taken off and screened by police. I think you fail to realize that these idiots affect mainly minorities, as that is how uneducated minds work: they can't see past their own identity (and by the power of numbers, most idiots are white). So what you're effectively saying is "I'm okay with idiots harrassing minorities". (edit to add an unwarranted disclaimer: by "idiot", I'm not referring to the lady in the original story, but to the OP's description of the "tragically ignorant, in need of raising their bar")
    - datashovel 10y ago
      When I read responses like this (that have no connection with the comments they're in response to) I have to just assume that Hacker News has switched out my comments and replaced them with something completely different. Please let me know if you manage to catch the witches you appear to be hunting.
      - elevenfist 10y ago
        We have to assume you're just a troll at this point.

JoeAltmaier 10y ago

Not such a fan of empowering idiots to cause serious, pointless obstruction for hundreds of people. There are just too many idiots.

datashovel 10y ago
It's likely you were not among those this post was directed toward. Sorry for the confusion.
- ignoramceisblis 10y ago
  Rather than confront the people who are describing the (negative) consequences of your way of thinking, you instead disregard their shared commentary as being off-topic. A class act. You hope your logic will live on, yet you choose to ignore its contradictions.
  - datashovel 10y ago
    To be honest, it is threads of comments like this that make me wish HN had a Mute or Block option. I apologize, but it's just not worth continuing this conversation because we are talking about completely different things.

deoptimo 10y ago

On a less somber note, you are praising the empowerment of ignorant people to become secret informants on behalf of a security state with the power to disrupt the lives of others. This is a tried and proven path that many countries have followed and we all know where it leads.

datashovel 10y ago
Please read the post again. It's clear you've jumped to conclusions. Perhaps you're not among those who this post was directed toward?
- tremon 10y ago
  Your post amounts to "I'm glad these idiots found a voice, now that they finally affect us all, we can do something about it". But your assumption that they affect us all equally is not supported by this story, otherwise all passengers on that plane would have been taken off and screened by police. I think you fail to realize that these idiots affect mainly minorities, as that is how uneducated minds work: they can't see past their own identity (and by the power of numbers, most idiots are white). So what you're effectively saying is "I'm okay with idiots harrassing minorities". (edit to add an unwarranted disclaimer: by "idiot", I'm not referring to the lady in the original story, but to the OP's description of the "tragically ignorant, in need of raising their bar")
  - datashovel 10y ago
    When I read responses like this (that have no connection with the comments they're in response to) I have to just assume that Hacker News has switched out my comments and replaced them with something completely different. Please let me know if you manage to catch the witches you appear to be hunting.
    - elevenfist 10y ago
      We have to assume you're just a troll at this point.