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This is probably a much better source: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/founder-liberty-reserve-pleads-guilty-laundering-more-250-million-through-his-digital htt

This is probably a much better source: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/founder-liberty-reserve-pleads-guilty-laundering-more-250-million-through-his-digital https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/founder-liberty-reserve-plead... Thought Bloomberg is well known to quickly publish 2 sentence articles to get an entry in google for breaking news and then back fill the story as it gets more details. If you haven't heard of the bank in question, Liberty Reserve was bank that was heavily used to launder black market money. You could open an account with an email address, and no other documentation, deposit bitcoins, and then pull out your holdings in the form of cash or gold. I'm surprised it ran as long as it did, from 2006 to 2013. There was one of the bulge bracket banks, I think Goldman, who put out a note about the bank where they speculated that it was an CIA front for trying to track the flow of black market cash. I'll try and see if I still have the research note around.

corin_ 11y ago
It's very common practise to publish a brief version of the story if it's breaking news, many respected sites do it, TV news does its equivalent, etc.
- rpgmaker 11y ago
  Publishing a fleshed out version of the story after doing the brief "BREAKING NEWS" one (like the NYT usually does, for example) is very different from backfilling the original brief entry, which is what commenter is accusing Bloomberg of doing.
gggggggggg 11y ago
Bitcoin was just staring out back then and was barely worth anything, also there was no Bitcoin deposit option one had to use exchangers back then, I lost 700 usd back then after getting paid for a design job,should have asked for bitcoin and be a millionaire now. Lr were more reliable than PayPal who hate freelancers.
celticninja 11y ago
It was active way before bitcoin existed and their primary currency was Liberty Reserve Dollars. You could deposit via western union or other cash deposit methods and transfer funds internationally with no questions. Bitcoin was added as another method fairly late on.
- pakled_engineer 11y ago
  LR just provided the ledger, you bought in and cashed out through 3rd party exchangers who were supposed to do all the KYC checking. LR also would freeze any account that moved more than some arbitrary amount that I can't remember but you could open pretty much unlimited accounts with slightly different info to keep under the limits. They weren't as bad as the DoJ claims unless there was private side dealing they discovered. When the exchangers started allowing Visa/MC ATM card loads is when all the org crime flocked to LR to cash out their stolen db sales and attention from DoJ started.
mysterypie 11y ago
> You could open an account with an email address, and no other documentation, deposit bitcoins, and then pull out your holdings in the form of cash or gold. That alone is not a bad thing. Why shouldn't you have freedom and privacy with your money? I know very well that draconian banking control is how some crimes are solved or some crimes avoided. That's how it works currently, but it doesn't have to be that way. Was the world really awash in crime before Know Your Customer, Currency Transaction Reporting, and all the other controls came into existence in the last 30 years?
- dmix 11y ago
  Bureaucratic control grows exponentially. I don't believe it has to be tied to specific trends in crime. Only a few random but well covered stories of crime is enough to persuade the public into handing over more power and calling for new stronger laws. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic

corin_ 11y ago

It's very common practise to publish a brief version of the story if it's breaking news, many respected sites do it, TV news does its equivalent, etc.

rpgmaker 11y ago
Publishing a fleshed out version of the story after doing the brief "BREAKING NEWS" one (like the NYT usually does, for example) is very different from backfilling the original brief entry, which is what commenter is accusing Bloomberg of doing.

gggggggggg 11y ago

Bitcoin was just staring out back then and was barely worth anything, also there was no Bitcoin deposit option one had to use exchangers back then, I lost 700 usd back then after getting paid for a design job,should have asked for bitcoin and be a millionaire now. Lr were more reliable than PayPal who hate freelancers.

celticninja 11y ago

It was active way before bitcoin existed and their primary currency was Liberty Reserve Dollars. You could deposit via western union or other cash deposit methods and transfer funds internationally with no questions. Bitcoin was added as another method fairly late on.

pakled_engineer 11y ago
LR just provided the ledger, you bought in and cashed out through 3rd party exchangers who were supposed to do all the KYC checking. LR also would freeze any account that moved more than some arbitrary amount that I can't remember but you could open pretty much unlimited accounts with slightly different info to keep under the limits. They weren't as bad as the DoJ claims unless there was private side dealing they discovered. When the exchangers started allowing Visa/MC ATM card loads is when all the org crime flocked to LR to cash out their stolen db sales and attention from DoJ started.

mysterypie 11y ago

> You could open an account with an email address, and no other documentation, deposit bitcoins, and then pull out your holdings in the form of cash or gold. That alone is not a bad thing. Why shouldn't you have freedom and privacy with your money? I know very well that draconian banking control is how some crimes are solved or some crimes avoided. That's how it works currently, but it doesn't have to be that way. Was the world really awash in crime before Know Your Customer, Currency Transaction Reporting, and all the other controls came into existence in the last 30 years?

dmix 11y ago
Bureaucratic control grows exponentially. I don't believe it has to be tied to specific trends in crime. Only a few random but well covered stories of crime is enough to persuade the public into handing over more power and calling for new stronger laws. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic