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It's quite simple: Don't do drugs. Next question please.

louithethrid 10y ago
Yes, all you have to do is get rid of your nervous systems pain receptors. Crippling back pain- why hang on to it? Please tell me your post was ment ironic. There are people out there who cant move without pain medication - and who regularly hear a "Get a job." from the same guys who recommend "Dont do drugs!". It may come as a shock: I know, its a strange thing to contemplate- but others might not be a copy of you. Like, there are other people, but they are diffrent?
- ralfruns 10y ago
  In many other countries, pain is treated without highly addictive opioids. Only in the US are they available at that scale.
  - Ensorceled 10y ago
    Well, yes. But that is a completely different thing than "don't do drugs".
    - puppetmaster3 10y ago
      No it's not.
  - malux85 10y ago
    Can you give me some examples or pointers to websites? I am interested in alternative pain treatments, because my condition still gives me a fair amount of pain, and I am open to trying new things :)
    - DanBC 10y ago
      https://www.fpm.ac.uk/faculty-of-pain-medicine/opioids-aware https://www.fpm.ac.uk/faculty-of-pain-medicine/opioids-aware https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/cg173/chapter/1-recommendations https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/cg173/chapter/1-recommendat... http://pathways.nice.org.uk/pathways/low-back-pain-early-management http://pathways.nice.org.uk/pathways/low-back-pain-early-man... http://pathways.nice.org.uk/pathways/opioids-for-pain-relief-in-palliative-care http://pathways.nice.org.uk/pathways/opioids-for-pain-relief... (There's lots on NICE. That's the organisation that assesses effectiveness and cost effectiveness of treatments, and makes recommendations about whether they should be used in English National Health Service. I guess this is one of the "death panels" we have in this country.) BBC Radio Four have a programme called Inside Health. They had an episode on the benefits of exercise, including exercise as a treatment for arthritis pain. Sadly, BBC geoblock some programmes. (I have no idea which ones either.) http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06vkg24 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06vkg24
    - beachstartup 10y ago
      HAVE YOU ASKED YOUR DOCTOR????? doctors are full of alternatives, but people loooooove opioids so that's what they prescribe. people also think doctors always make the best decisions, but that's horseshit, they commonly make terrible decisions because they're overworked and their patients are terrible at communicating. the last time i went in for pain they immediately offered me opioids, i said nope and LO, AND BEHOLD, an alternative was immediately offered. and GUESS WHAT, they were SUPER CHEAP. hmmmmmm.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketorolac https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketorolac https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylprednisolone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylprednisolone
malux85 10y ago
Sometimes the world isn't as black and white as that. I was misdiagnosed as having IBS a couple of years ago, and became addicted to oxycontin, because the pain was no severe I couldn't go to work without it. At one point I had to have a colonoscopy, and I had to stop taking oxycontin 48 hours before the procedure, the withdrawl was hell. I remember being scatter brained, unable to focus on anything for more than a few seconds, I was sweating and shivering, and it felt like my bones were on fire. The withdrawl caused a deep pain, especially in my joints, ankles and knees were the worst. It was a strange pain I had never felt before, like fire and electric. Even my teeth hurt. It took 24 hours or so to get past the worst of it, and I have been VERY lucky to get another diagnosis and some medication that helps. I will never take oxycontin again, but sometimes, you just cant help it.
- noir_lord 10y ago
  I had massive dental problems a few years ago, they started me on a high dose of codeine but even that wasn't cutting it, I didn't want anything stronger since I knew how bad opiods could be from my ex-partner who was disabled but the pain was so bad I couldn't sleep so I went onto OxyNorm for a few months. Coming off that was absolutely horrible, about as ill as I've felt since I had the flu and nearly ended up hospitalized. I have a spinal condition and opiod's have been suggested by multiple docs but I simply won't take them until the equation balances, withdrawl and potential depency vs not be able to function.
- g00gler 10y ago
  How was going to work on the oxy? I had surgery a few months ago and stopped taking them after 2 days because I couldn't focus (or really think clearly) after taking a dose.
  - malux85 10y ago
    I was doing web development at the time, and I too found it hard to focus, especially on deeper problems - e.g. visualising deep stack traces or class hierarchies. I was able function, but it definitely required more conscious effort
noir_lord 10y ago
Yeah, I'll stop taking the drugs that allow me to function and have any kind of quality of life. That's a great suggestion! however if I do it's quite simple, don't do drugs, can you do it's quite simple don't be an empathy lacking idiot?.
- dang 10y ago
  No personal attacks on HN, please, regardless of how wrong or provocative someone else's comment is.
  - noir_lord 10y ago
    Apologies, issue touched a nerve.
DanBC 10y ago
Many people are inappropriately given opiates by their doctors to treat long term pain. Those people are not "doing drugs", they are following (bad) medical advice. People with long term pain need better access to pain management clinics; better access to physio therapy and exercise therapy; better access to different meds; and if they're still in pain better prescribing of opiates carefully following protocols. https://www.fpm.ac.uk/faculty-of-pain-medicine/opioids-aware https://www.fpm.ac.uk/faculty-of-pain-medicine/opioids-aware https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/pdf/FPM-Opioids-Aware-Press-Release.pdf https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/pdf/FPM-Opioids-Aware-Press-Releas... > There has been a sharp and sustained increase in the prescription of opioid painkillers in recent years. The latest figures from 2014 show that 22.75 million prescriptions were written in England with a total cost of nearly £305 million to the NHS. Similar rises in prescribing in the US and elsewhere have been accompanied by increases in harms related to these drugs including addiction, unintentional overdose and death. Opioid painkiller problems in the UK have not reached the epidemic proportions seen in the US but we know that over 5% of adults in England and Wales have used opioid medicines that were not prescribed for them in the past year. > Of more concern is that nearly all the rise in prescribing has been for treatment for long-term pain however, opioid medicines are often ineffective for this condition. About 4% of the population in England and Wales is in receipt of a prescription for opioids and once opioids are started they can be difficult to stop. In the UK opiates are commonly used for suicide. Self poisoning is the second most common method, and opiates are the most common medication used (and opiate + paracetamol combinations are in the top 5 too). Most of these are legally obtained.
- forgotpwtomain 10y ago
  > Many people are inappropriately given opiates by their doctors to treat long term pain. While I am sure this is true in many cases, my personal experience was the opposite. I had significant nerve pain after an accident, which kept me from being able to sleep or focus on anything very well. The physician I saw after my hospitalization was apparently worried I was trying to satisfy a drug-craving? So instead of giving me a pain-killer gave me a prescription for an anti-depressant (which potentially treats nerve pain at 4X the normal dose used to treat depression) - withdrawal from that was extremely bad and certainly much worse than anything I've experienced after pain-killers.
mbrutsch 10y ago
People are weak. But boy, they can sure click a little triangle. The world is safe now.
- dang 10y ago
  Please stop posting uncivil and unsubstantive comments to Hacker News. We're looking for thoughtful discussion here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html
  - mbrutsch 10y ago
    I've requested that you delete my account in the past, requests which you routinely ignore. Apparently neither one of us is very good at following directions. Ball's in your court.
  - mbrutsch 10y ago
    Ooh, comments not visible when not logged in. Very 2009.
    - dang 10y ago
      I assume you're talking about https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11651039 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11651039, which was flagged by users. However, since you don't seem to want to use the site as intended, we've banned your account.
      - mbrutsch 10y ago
        Still too chickenshit to delete it, I suppose. Fuck you.
shawnz 10y ago
> It's quite simple: Don't do drugs. Why not? Because they can be dangerous and require precautions to be taken before use? Should I stop driving cars too?
- deleted 10y ago
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- B1FF_PSUVM 10y ago
  > Should I stop driving cars too? Coming soon.
- deleted 10y ago
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notsotrue 10y ago
I suffer from avascular necrosis, where my large bone joints are dying from a lack of blood flow. The bone breaks down (sever acute pain), chews the shit out of the cartilage (chronic inflammation pain), and movement exacerbates both. I still do the excises, as each joint will eventually be replaced, and strong muscles decrease dislocation chances, but this provides no pain relief, and only causes to fatigue the muscles. After 7 surgeries, 3 joint replacements, you begin to realize that the average person has no idea what pain is. A broken bone isn't pain, it's an inconvenience. I refuse to use opioids anymore, I can't code on them, they muddle your brain. But I wouldn't wish this life on anyone, not even the morons who glibly state that all you have to do is not take drugs.
dang 10y ago
Glib provocations are a form of trolling. That's bad for discussion quality in the long run. Please don't do this here.

Yes, all you have to do is get rid of your nervous systems pain receptors. Crippling back pain- why hang on to it? Please tell me your post was ment ironic. There are people out there who cant move without pain medication - and who regularly hear a "Get a job." from the same guys who recommend "Dont do drugs!". It may come as a shock: I know, its a strange thing to contemplate- but others might not be a copy of you. Like, there are other people, but they are diffrent?

ralfruns 10y ago
In many other countries, pain is treated without highly addictive opioids. Only in the US are they available at that scale.
- Ensorceled 10y ago
  Well, yes. But that is a completely different thing than "don't do drugs".
  - puppetmaster3 10y ago
    No it's not.
- malux85 10y ago
  Can you give me some examples or pointers to websites? I am interested in alternative pain treatments, because my condition still gives me a fair amount of pain, and I am open to trying new things :)
  - DanBC 10y ago
    https://www.fpm.ac.uk/faculty-of-pain-medicine/opioids-aware https://www.fpm.ac.uk/faculty-of-pain-medicine/opioids-aware https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/cg173/chapter/1-recommendations https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/cg173/chapter/1-recommendat... http://pathways.nice.org.uk/pathways/low-back-pain-early-management http://pathways.nice.org.uk/pathways/low-back-pain-early-man... http://pathways.nice.org.uk/pathways/opioids-for-pain-relief-in-palliative-care http://pathways.nice.org.uk/pathways/opioids-for-pain-relief... (There's lots on NICE. That's the organisation that assesses effectiveness and cost effectiveness of treatments, and makes recommendations about whether they should be used in English National Health Service. I guess this is one of the "death panels" we have in this country.) BBC Radio Four have a programme called Inside Health. They had an episode on the benefits of exercise, including exercise as a treatment for arthritis pain. Sadly, BBC geoblock some programmes. (I have no idea which ones either.) http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06vkg24 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06vkg24
  - beachstartup 10y ago
    HAVE YOU ASKED YOUR DOCTOR????? doctors are full of alternatives, but people loooooove opioids so that's what they prescribe. people also think doctors always make the best decisions, but that's horseshit, they commonly make terrible decisions because they're overworked and their patients are terrible at communicating. the last time i went in for pain they immediately offered me opioids, i said nope and LO, AND BEHOLD, an alternative was immediately offered. and GUESS WHAT, they were SUPER CHEAP. hmmmmmm.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketorolac https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketorolac https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylprednisolone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylprednisolone

malux85 10y ago

Sometimes the world isn't as black and white as that. I was misdiagnosed as having IBS a couple of years ago, and became addicted to oxycontin, because the pain was no severe I couldn't go to work without it. At one point I had to have a colonoscopy, and I had to stop taking oxycontin 48 hours before the procedure, the withdrawl was hell. I remember being scatter brained, unable to focus on anything for more than a few seconds, I was sweating and shivering, and it felt like my bones were on fire. The withdrawl caused a deep pain, especially in my joints, ankles and knees were the worst. It was a strange pain I had never felt before, like fire and electric. Even my teeth hurt. It took 24 hours or so to get past the worst of it, and I have been VERY lucky to get another diagnosis and some medication that helps. I will never take oxycontin again, but sometimes, you just cant help it.

noir_lord 10y ago
I had massive dental problems a few years ago, they started me on a high dose of codeine but even that wasn't cutting it, I didn't want anything stronger since I knew how bad opiods could be from my ex-partner who was disabled but the pain was so bad I couldn't sleep so I went onto OxyNorm for a few months. Coming off that was absolutely horrible, about as ill as I've felt since I had the flu and nearly ended up hospitalized. I have a spinal condition and opiod's have been suggested by multiple docs but I simply won't take them until the equation balances, withdrawl and potential depency vs not be able to function.
g00gler 10y ago
How was going to work on the oxy? I had surgery a few months ago and stopped taking them after 2 days because I couldn't focus (or really think clearly) after taking a dose.
- malux85 10y ago
  I was doing web development at the time, and I too found it hard to focus, especially on deeper problems - e.g. visualising deep stack traces or class hierarchies. I was able function, but it definitely required more conscious effort

noir_lord 10y ago

Yeah, I'll stop taking the drugs that allow me to function and have any kind of quality of life. That's a great suggestion! however if I do it's quite simple, don't do drugs, can you do it's quite simple don't be an empathy lacking idiot?.

dang 10y ago
No personal attacks on HN, please, regardless of how wrong or provocative someone else's comment is.
- noir_lord 10y ago
  Apologies, issue touched a nerve.

DanBC 10y ago

Many people are inappropriately given opiates by their doctors to treat long term pain. Those people are not "doing drugs", they are following (bad) medical advice. People with long term pain need better access to pain management clinics; better access to physio therapy and exercise therapy; better access to different meds; and if they're still in pain better prescribing of opiates carefully following protocols. https://www.fpm.ac.uk/faculty-of-pain-medicine/opioids-aware https://www.fpm.ac.uk/faculty-of-pain-medicine/opioids-aware https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/pdf/FPM-Opioids-Aware-Press-Release.pdf https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/pdf/FPM-Opioids-Aware-Press-Releas... > There has been a sharp and sustained increase in the prescription of opioid painkillers in recent years. The latest figures from 2014 show that 22.75 million prescriptions were written in England with a total cost of nearly £305 million to the NHS. Similar rises in prescribing in the US and elsewhere have been accompanied by increases in harms related to these drugs including addiction, unintentional overdose and death. Opioid painkiller problems in the UK have not reached the epidemic proportions seen in the US but we know that over 5% of adults in England and Wales have used opioid medicines that were not prescribed for them in the past year. > Of more concern is that nearly all the rise in prescribing has been for treatment for long-term pain however, opioid medicines are often ineffective for this condition. About 4% of the population in England and Wales is in receipt of a prescription for opioids and once opioids are started they can be difficult to stop. In the UK opiates are commonly used for suicide. Self poisoning is the second most common method, and opiates are the most common medication used (and opiate + paracetamol combinations are in the top 5 too). Most of these are legally obtained.

forgotpwtomain 10y ago
> Many people are inappropriately given opiates by their doctors to treat long term pain. While I am sure this is true in many cases, my personal experience was the opposite. I had significant nerve pain after an accident, which kept me from being able to sleep or focus on anything very well. The physician I saw after my hospitalization was apparently worried I was trying to satisfy a drug-craving? So instead of giving me a pain-killer gave me a prescription for an anti-depressant (which potentially treats nerve pain at 4X the normal dose used to treat depression) - withdrawal from that was extremely bad and certainly much worse than anything I've experienced after pain-killers.

mbrutsch 10y ago

People are weak. But boy, they can sure click a little triangle. The world is safe now.

dang 10y ago
Please stop posting uncivil and unsubstantive comments to Hacker News. We're looking for thoughtful discussion here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html
- mbrutsch 10y ago
  I've requested that you delete my account in the past, requests which you routinely ignore. Apparently neither one of us is very good at following directions. Ball's in your court.
- mbrutsch 10y ago
  Ooh, comments not visible when not logged in. Very 2009.
  - dang 10y ago
    I assume you're talking about https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11651039 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11651039, which was flagged by users. However, since you don't seem to want to use the site as intended, we've banned your account.
    - mbrutsch 10y ago
      Still too chickenshit to delete it, I suppose. Fuck you.

shawnz 10y ago

> It's quite simple: Don't do drugs. Why not? Because they can be dangerous and require precautions to be taken before use? Should I stop driving cars too?

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B1FF_PSUVM 10y ago
> Should I stop driving cars too? Coming soon.
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notsotrue 10y ago

I suffer from avascular necrosis, where my large bone joints are dying from a lack of blood flow. The bone breaks down (sever acute pain), chews the shit out of the cartilage (chronic inflammation pain), and movement exacerbates both. I still do the excises, as each joint will eventually be replaced, and strong muscles decrease dislocation chances, but this provides no pain relief, and only causes to fatigue the muscles. After 7 surgeries, 3 joint replacements, you begin to realize that the average person has no idea what pain is. A broken bone isn't pain, it's an inconvenience. I refuse to use opioids anymore, I can't code on them, they muddle your brain. But I wouldn't wish this life on anyone, not even the morons who glibly state that all you have to do is not take drugs.

dang 10y ago

Glib provocations are a form of trolling. That's bad for discussion quality in the long run. Please don't do this here.