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You are quoting 2013 doco. systemd has (again) changed since then. As of 2016, the position is that whilst there is still code in some of the program to handl

by JdeBP 11y ago

You are quoting 2013 doco. systemd has (again) changed since then. As of 2016, the position is that whilst there is still code in some of the program to handle a split /usr, a significant part of the system (in particular Plug and Play device management) now references /usr and depends from it, to the extent that it is already a requirement that /usr be always present: i.e. that it either be on the root volume or be mounted by /init (on the initramfs) before it invokes systemd. * https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2016-February/035801.html https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2016-Fe... Lennart Poettering is indeed now pushing for systemd to impose a similar requirement for /var . * https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2016-February/035749.html https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2016-Fe... * https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2016-February/035803.html https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2016-Fe...

Jasper_ 11y ago
Uh, I don't see how this is related to UsrMerge? You can still have separate /usr/bin and /bin directories, you just need to make sure /usr is mounted and accessible during boot. Requiring /usr be available during boot has long been the case for Linux, even before systemd came along.
spc476 11y ago
So, as Linus controls the kernel, Lennart wants to control userspace?
- digi_owl 11y ago
  I'm not sure Torvalds care about control either way, he just wants to build a kernel to be proud off.
- arca_vorago 11y ago
  I have a sneaking suspicion one day systemd is going to try to replace the gnu in gnu/linux.
  - digi_owl 11y ago
    Why, when they can grab the reins? Iirc, glibc used to be maintained by a RH guy until he got on so many people's wrong side there was fork made that ran for a number of years until the original was merged into it and the fork renamed.

by JdeBP 11y ago

Jasper_ 11y ago

Uh, I don't see how this is related to UsrMerge? You can still have separate /usr/bin and /bin directories, you just need to make sure /usr is mounted and accessible during boot. Requiring /usr be available during boot has long been the case for Linux, even before systemd came along.

spc476 11y ago

So, as Linus controls the kernel, Lennart wants to control userspace?

digi_owl 11y ago
I'm not sure Torvalds care about control either way, he just wants to build a kernel to be proud off.
arca_vorago 11y ago
I have a sneaking suspicion one day systemd is going to try to replace the gnu in gnu/linux.
- digi_owl 11y ago
  Why, when they can grab the reins? Iirc, glibc used to be maintained by a RH guy until he got on so many people's wrong side there was fork made that ran for a number of years until the original was merged into it and the fork renamed.