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The systemd maintainers were one of the first ones to put together a technical proposal and do a lot of the implementation work for the UsrMerge, in a way that

by Jasper_ 11y ago

The systemd maintainers were one of the first ones to put together a technical proposal and do a lot of the implementation work for the UsrMerge, in a way that was reusable across distros. systemd itself does not depend on being on a UsrMerge'd system, and otherwise, the proposal does not have anything to do with systemd. From https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge/ https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseFor... "Note that this page discusses a topic that is actually independent of systemd."

JdeBP 11y ago
You are quoting 2013 doco. systemd has (again) changed since then. As of 2016, the position is that whilst there is still code in some of the program to handle a split /usr, a significant part of the system (in particular Plug and Play device management) now references /usr and depends from it, to the extent that it is already a requirement that /usr be always present: i.e. that it either be on the root volume or be mounted by /init (on the initramfs) before it invokes systemd. * https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2016-February/035801.html https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2016-Fe... Lennart Poettering is indeed now pushing for systemd to impose a similar requirement for /var . * https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2016-February/035749.html https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2016-Fe... * https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2016-February/035803.html https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2016-Fe...
- Jasper_ 11y ago
  Uh, I don't see how this is related to UsrMerge? You can still have separate /usr/bin and /bin directories, you just need to make sure /usr is mounted and accessible during boot. Requiring /usr be available during boot has long been the case for Linux, even before systemd came along.
- spc476 11y ago
  So, as Linus controls the kernel, Lennart wants to control userspace?
  - digi_owl 11y ago
    I'm not sure Torvalds care about control either way, he just wants to build a kernel to be proud off.
  - arca_vorago 11y ago
    I have a sneaking suspicion one day systemd is going to try to replace the gnu in gnu/linux.
    - digi_owl 11y ago
      Why, when they can grab the reins? Iirc, glibc used to be maintained by a RH guy until he got on so many people's wrong side there was fork made that ran for a number of years until the original was merged into it and the fork renamed.
digi_owl 11y ago
That one curious definiton of "reusable"...

by Jasper_ 11y ago

JdeBP 11y ago

You are quoting 2013 doco. systemd has (again) changed since then. As of 2016, the position is that whilst there is still code in some of the program to handle a split /usr, a significant part of the system (in particular Plug and Play device management) now references /usr and depends from it, to the extent that it is already a requirement that /usr be always present: i.e. that it either be on the root volume or be mounted by /init (on the initramfs) before it invokes systemd. * https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2016-February/035801.html https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2016-Fe... Lennart Poettering is indeed now pushing for systemd to impose a similar requirement for /var . * https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2016-February/035749.html https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2016-Fe... * https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2016-February/035803.html https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2016-Fe...

Jasper_ 11y ago
Uh, I don't see how this is related to UsrMerge? You can still have separate /usr/bin and /bin directories, you just need to make sure /usr is mounted and accessible during boot. Requiring /usr be available during boot has long been the case for Linux, even before systemd came along.
spc476 11y ago
So, as Linus controls the kernel, Lennart wants to control userspace?
- digi_owl 11y ago
  I'm not sure Torvalds care about control either way, he just wants to build a kernel to be proud off.
- arca_vorago 11y ago
  I have a sneaking suspicion one day systemd is going to try to replace the gnu in gnu/linux.
  - digi_owl 11y ago
    Why, when they can grab the reins? Iirc, glibc used to be maintained by a RH guy until he got on so many people's wrong side there was fork made that ran for a number of years until the original was merged into it and the fork renamed.

digi_owl 11y ago

That one curious definiton of "reusable"...