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>>Have you tried to get Medicaid in a state? Because I have for a family member (Indiana). There's a waitlist, Wait are you not for Universal Healthcare... WT

>>Have you tried to get Medicaid in a state? Because I have for a family member (Indiana). There's a waitlist, Wait are you not for Universal Healthcare... WTF do you think Universal Healthcare will be.... Medicaid for everyone that is what...

toomuchtodo 10y ago
Hey there! Can you provide proof? Because every other first world country achieves better care at lower costs than the US with universal healthcare.
- the_ancient 10y ago
  I am sure they do, I never argued that I like our Current mix of heavily government regulation, mandatory 3rd party billing, and a variety of other fucked up policies imposed by government. It is likely that single paying would be provide lower cost then what we pay today, I think it is highly unlikely it would result in better care. For example in many places in the EU semiprivate rooms are only for those Rich people that pay for their care, the "free" sick people are put in "efficient" open-plan hospital ward with many more people Also there would be a huge drop in medical research, in addition to government regulation driving up costs, the US Health System more or less carries the rest of the world for R&D, companies charge the US exorbitantly because in the rest of the world there are price controls, once they stop being able to exploit the US Health Consumer because we also have price controls they will simply stop or slow their R&D to safer avenues and take less risks.. There are also 1000's of other reason why a US Universal Healthcare system will be vastly different than any thing any other nation has tried. One big one is our obesity problem, once we have Universal Healthcare, are you then going to support Universal Diets, and Universal/Mandatory Exercise??
  - toomuchtodo 10y ago
    > One big one is our obesity problem, once we have Universal Healthcare, are you then going to support Universal Diets, and Universal/Mandatory Exercise?? I would add a tax onto activities that increase healthcare costs, yes. I'm not stopping your from doing it, I'm just bringing the externality into the equation. If you speed, we ticket you. If you speed too much, we raise the price of your insurance. And so on. This is no different. Risks have costs, and you pay for the risk you create (when a choice is provided).
    - the_ancient 10y ago
      Fucking authoritarians. I really do not have much else to say, I can not have a reasonable conversation with people that believe the government should control everything.. Including what the fuck I eat and tax (aka Punish me if I make the "wrong" choice by their standards you basically want to live in a world like this https://www.aclu.org/ordering-pizza https://www.aclu.org/ordering-pizza
      - toomuchtodo 10y ago
        One man's authoritarianism is another man's efficient market.
ericd 10y ago
Medicaid is managed by the states, Medicare is the Federal one. It would likely be Medicare for all.

toomuchtodo 10y ago

Hey there! Can you provide proof? Because every other first world country achieves better care at lower costs than the US with universal healthcare.

the_ancient 10y ago
I am sure they do, I never argued that I like our Current mix of heavily government regulation, mandatory 3rd party billing, and a variety of other fucked up policies imposed by government. It is likely that single paying would be provide lower cost then what we pay today, I think it is highly unlikely it would result in better care. For example in many places in the EU semiprivate rooms are only for those Rich people that pay for their care, the "free" sick people are put in "efficient" open-plan hospital ward with many more people Also there would be a huge drop in medical research, in addition to government regulation driving up costs, the US Health System more or less carries the rest of the world for R&D, companies charge the US exorbitantly because in the rest of the world there are price controls, once they stop being able to exploit the US Health Consumer because we also have price controls they will simply stop or slow their R&D to safer avenues and take less risks.. There are also 1000's of other reason why a US Universal Healthcare system will be vastly different than any thing any other nation has tried. One big one is our obesity problem, once we have Universal Healthcare, are you then going to support Universal Diets, and Universal/Mandatory Exercise??
- toomuchtodo 10y ago
  > One big one is our obesity problem, once we have Universal Healthcare, are you then going to support Universal Diets, and Universal/Mandatory Exercise?? I would add a tax onto activities that increase healthcare costs, yes. I'm not stopping your from doing it, I'm just bringing the externality into the equation. If you speed, we ticket you. If you speed too much, we raise the price of your insurance. And so on. This is no different. Risks have costs, and you pay for the risk you create (when a choice is provided).
  - the_ancient 10y ago
    Fucking authoritarians. I really do not have much else to say, I can not have a reasonable conversation with people that believe the government should control everything.. Including what the fuck I eat and tax (aka Punish me if I make the "wrong" choice by their standards you basically want to live in a world like this https://www.aclu.org/ordering-pizza https://www.aclu.org/ordering-pizza
    - toomuchtodo 10y ago
      One man's authoritarianism is another man's efficient market.

ericd 10y ago

Medicaid is managed by the states, Medicare is the Federal one. It would likely be Medicare for all.