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Are you asking how dang found out? I assume this happened in a private conversation. We got told in this post. "We've offered Maciej the $20k, and he graciously
by YuriNiyazov 10y ago
Are you asking how dang found out? I assume this happened in a private conversation. We got told in this post. "We've offered Maciej the $20k, and he graciously accepted and asked us to donate it to the San Francisco Coalition on Homelessness (http://www.cohsf.org/ http://www.cohsf.org/). We'll take care of doing so."
Edit: I assume dang isn't lying; if he had been, @Pinboard would've already skewered this post.
- nickpsecurity 10y agoOh yeah, I figured he was telling the truth. I just find it strange that there was so much wrath for YC's questionable action about funding Pinboard but not a peep about Maciej getting the investment and then throwing it away on charity. They agreed to do it to make the situation right but his end seems to still be fraudulent.
- scott_s 10y agoI think "fraudulent" is unfair and uncharitable.
- nickpsecurity 10y agoHe claimed to want an investment into his business with many specific possible uses. After many gripes here and there, they caved to give it to him. He gave it to a charity. Promise one thing for cash and do another involved is the basic definition of fraud. Only difference is they went along with it to right a wrong. Had he not entered, money would've possibly gone to a startup doing exactly what they promised they'd do.
- scott_s 10y agoAll parties are okay with the outcome; I find it reasonable that the week's drama changed people's desires. Calling it "fraudulent" is, to me, given that no one feels harmed, both inaccurate and unfair.
- nickpsecurity 10y agoThat's one way of looking at it. The comments and feed make me think his desire was always to troll them rather than invest in his business. I doubt it really changed. Fraud or not, giving him the money was a waste vs somebody that would do what they said. I'd have apologized then been honest about why I'd not pay him. Something along lines of "He's probably trolling us and will just give it to charity or something. Doesn't really need it for his business." If I had the foresight.
- jon-wood 10y agoThis is a major VC we're talking about here, it's not like they just gave their last $20k to charity and some other company won't get into YCF because of it.
- nickpsecurity 10y agoOf course not. It just a question of whether money for a startup competition is better off going to startups for their business development or charities. I was thinking the former. YC can do as much charity as they like. I'd just give them the thumbs up for their generosity. Note that I'm critiquing Maciej here, not YC.
- scott_s 10y agoI think the reason you're getting downvoted is that both parties reconciled, and now they seem to want to move past it. Your comments, however, run counter to moving on.
- nickpsecurity 10y agoI agree. I kept discussing it because people replied. Otherwise, I'd have been done after first round of comments.
- santoshalper 10y agoFraud is a legal term where you lie for personal or financial gain. Nobody here gained anything by lying. Hell, nobody lied at all. They didn't give him the money and he tricked them by giving it to charity. He told them to give it to charity instead and they did. What a bizarre interpretation of events you've made.
- nickpsecurity 10y agoHe said he wanted the money for his business. Made a big deal about not getting it and what he could do with it. Ended up in a charity instead when he was going to receive it. That's what happened rather than a bizarre interpretation. My interpretation was he went back on his own word. Which he did given I couldnt find charity or donation in whole, other thread.