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Maybe we'll have to agree to disagree. The public asked for open and we gave them Open with a pretty capital O. When this project started we didn't know we were

Maybe we'll have to agree to disagree. The public asked for open and we gave them Open with a pretty capital O. When this project started we didn't know we were buying Xamarin, so that required a pivot. Yes it looked messy because it was messy. It's hard to be Open AND Organized. Node is a mess, remember io.js? Software Development is messy and this was a peek into the kitchen. I can't speak to OneDrive, but it's clearly a problem. Unfortunately, I work in DevDiv, not Windows. As far as Bash is concerned, I think "literally nothing works" is not fair. I helped with this release. I presented on it for 90 minutes this morning and installed and brought in build-essentials, worked on redis-server, g++, ruby, and it worked fine. Yes there's rough areas, but we can update it often with WU. Also, you're complaining about Trusty in the same breath as Bash on Windows. You'll be able to update to 16.04 later so that might help. And, you're certainly able to Hyper-V any Linux and SSH in as well.

dizzy3gg 10y ago
I for one have enjoyed the dnx/dotnet cli journey and have engaged in communities I never knew existed. Thanks.
tacos 10y ago
I'll give a polite tip of the hat but warn that cutesy redis demos are starting to wear thin. The C++ support in the tools you get after installing build-essentials on Trusty smells like Visual Studio 2010. As for .NET core, you'll get plenty of warm fuzzy "just happy to be part of the journey" crap here but don't forget that for every unemployed enthusiast chatting in an issues thread on github there are 100 professionals working their asses off trying to ship solutions. That's why you exist. Don't lose that. "Things may not work perfectly, but that is why it's no production code." Ugh. They called it a Release Candidate! And it was... crap. Tools support isn't like horseshoes, almost doesn't count. Likewise you need breadth and depth with your Linux support or this is going to be a total friggin' debacle for devs.
- shanselman 10y ago
  So is it BashOnWindows that is the problem, or a frustration with Trusty itself as a distro?
- voltagex_ 10y ago
  What demos do you want? If redis is "cutesy", what isn't?
  - tacos 10y ago
    Something hip like one of the neural toolkits? I guess that would be hard to do since you can't install CUDA, R packages or the JDK at the moment. Maybe run Docker? Nope. Heck, I'd settle for being able to run tar or rar. Those don't work either. Cmake? Nope, broken. Valgrind? nope. Mono? nope. He's welcome to run the same redis demo he does every tradeshow and pretend everything's hot and ready for action, but it's misleading at best.
    - bitcrazed 10y ago
      We're focusing on mainstream developer scenarios to start with (esp. Ruby, Java, Python, etc); we'll get to more advanced, esoteric, and exotic technologies later. FWIW, many core Linux tools (e.g. tar, gzip/gunzip) work* well, and tools like gcc/g++, Mono and CMake work* well in current insiders builds. * By "work", we mean, they work in our scenario testing. If you find issues, please log bugs at https://aka.ms/winbashgithub https://aka.ms/winbashgithub.
      - tacos 10y ago
        I'm running the latest insider build. The bugs reported are based on personal experience and I verified they were currently open on GitHub as well before I posted. Tar hangs, cmake can't find a compiler, Valgrind goes nuts, and mono doesn't run. This is right at the top of the current issue list on GitHub with Microsoft annotations confirming the bugs. I do what I can to report issues but frankly I do pretty basic development and hit an immediate brick wall with this stuff. I can't believe I'm celebrating Cygwin both for stability and breadth of packages. It's nuts. I don't expect you guys to demo tensorflow. I'm simply saying that getting Redis limping borders on false prophecy.
        voltagex_ 10y ago
- dizzy3gg 10y ago
  I'm in the bracket of the "100 professionals working their asses off trying to ship solutions" as my day job. What has the "unemployed enthusiast"s chatting on a thread go to do with me shipping solutions? Let the children boogie and i'll join in my free time :)
Estyn 10y ago
Keep up the good work, I love being able to see and play with the beta or alpha code. Things may not work perfectly, but that is why it's no production code.
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ah- 10y ago
I absolutely love the Open and transparent way of developing software and the progress you've made is amazing.

dizzy3gg 10y ago

I for one have enjoyed the dnx/dotnet cli journey and have engaged in communities I never knew existed. Thanks.

tacos 10y ago

I'll give a polite tip of the hat but warn that cutesy redis demos are starting to wear thin. The C++ support in the tools you get after installing build-essentials on Trusty smells like Visual Studio 2010. As for .NET core, you'll get plenty of warm fuzzy "just happy to be part of the journey" crap here but don't forget that for every unemployed enthusiast chatting in an issues thread on github there are 100 professionals working their asses off trying to ship solutions. That's why you exist. Don't lose that. "Things may not work perfectly, but that is why it's no production code." Ugh. They called it a Release Candidate! And it was... crap. Tools support isn't like horseshoes, almost doesn't count. Likewise you need breadth and depth with your Linux support or this is going to be a total friggin' debacle for devs.

shanselman 10y ago
So is it BashOnWindows that is the problem, or a frustration with Trusty itself as a distro?
voltagex_ 10y ago
What demos do you want? If redis is "cutesy", what isn't?
- tacos 10y ago
  Something hip like one of the neural toolkits? I guess that would be hard to do since you can't install CUDA, R packages or the JDK at the moment. Maybe run Docker? Nope. Heck, I'd settle for being able to run tar or rar. Those don't work either. Cmake? Nope, broken. Valgrind? nope. Mono? nope. He's welcome to run the same redis demo he does every tradeshow and pretend everything's hot and ready for action, but it's misleading at best.
  - bitcrazed 10y ago
    We're focusing on mainstream developer scenarios to start with (esp. Ruby, Java, Python, etc); we'll get to more advanced, esoteric, and exotic technologies later. FWIW, many core Linux tools (e.g. tar, gzip/gunzip) work* well, and tools like gcc/g++, Mono and CMake work* well in current insiders builds. * By "work", we mean, they work in our scenario testing. If you find issues, please log bugs at https://aka.ms/winbashgithub https://aka.ms/winbashgithub.
    - tacos 10y ago
      I'm running the latest insider build. The bugs reported are based on personal experience and I verified they were currently open on GitHub as well before I posted. Tar hangs, cmake can't find a compiler, Valgrind goes nuts, and mono doesn't run. This is right at the top of the current issue list on GitHub with Microsoft annotations confirming the bugs. I do what I can to report issues but frankly I do pretty basic development and hit an immediate brick wall with this stuff. I can't believe I'm celebrating Cygwin both for stability and breadth of packages. It's nuts. I don't expect you guys to demo tensorflow. I'm simply saying that getting Redis limping borders on false prophecy.
      - voltagex_ 10y ago
dizzy3gg 10y ago
I'm in the bracket of the "100 professionals working their asses off trying to ship solutions" as my day job. What has the "unemployed enthusiast"s chatting on a thread go to do with me shipping solutions? Let the children boogie and i'll join in my free time :)

Estyn 10y ago

Keep up the good work, I love being able to see and play with the beta or alpha code. Things may not work perfectly, but that is why it's no production code.

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ah- 10y ago

I absolutely love the Open and transparent way of developing software and the progress you've made is amazing.