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I've been unable to find the dialogue alone without all of the editorialising The article is fascinating, and I was unaware of this debate but I find it diffi

I've been unable to find the dialogue alone without all of the editorialising The article is fascinating, and I was unaware of this debate but I find it difficult to reason along with this article's diction I'd love to read the original debate, if anyone had a link Preferably an English translation, but the French would be fine too EDIT : lstamour found it https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11646664 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11646664

leephillips 10y ago
Did you try to follow up ref. 1 from the article?
- justifier 10y ago
  i did, multiple search permutations all came up dry, circling back by linking to this same nautil.us article
  - lstamour 10y ago
    I might have found it in PDF (with an annoying download timer) at http://docslide.fr/documents/la-theorie-de-la-relativite-deinstein-a-la-societe-francaise-de-philosophie.html http://docslide.fr/documents/la-theorie-de-la-relativite-dei... or http://bit.ly/23vLiif http://bit.ly/23vLiif (Google Books preview), found via exerpts at http://dialog.ac-reims.fr/wphilo/philoreims/articlesb6fe.html?lng=fr&pg=257 http://dialog.ac-reims.fr/wphilo/philoreims/articlesb6fe.htm... which cites Bergson-Einstein, Bulletin de la Société Française de Philosophie, T. XVII, 1922, Paris, A. Colin, p. 25 as the original source. This PDF might still be in copyright, so there might still be better sources out there.
    - justifier 10y ago
      found it, in french: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3075319;view=1up;seq=361 https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3075319;view=1up... which matches your bitly link: http://bit.ly/23vLiif http://bit.ly/23vLiif ; and the bitly link has a clearer typeface also, it seems the pdf is the same document.. well done on the results! one of your other links led me here: http://www.2iceshs.cyfronet.pl/2ICESHS_Proceedings/Chapter_25/R-17_Canales.pdf http://www.2iceshs.cyfronet.pl/2ICESHS_Proceedings/Chapter_2... from there i got the citation: The meeting was recounted in the Bulletin de la Société française de Philosophie, vol. 22, no. 3, July 1922, pp. 102–113. It was reprinted in Bergson, Ecrits et Paroles, vol. 3, pp. 497, and in Henri Bergson, ―Discussion avec Einstein,‖ in Mélanges (Paris: Presses Universitaires de France, 1972). of which i took the Bulletin de la Société française de Philosophie, vol. 22, no. 3, July 1922, which led me here: https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000505792 https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000505792 and you can see v17-22(1917-1922) which leads to the above facsimile you can easily confirm this by searching the text for the quote: Il n’y a donc pas un temps des philosophes ; which will be found on page 107
      - leephillips 10y ago
        This is useful - thanks for tracking it down.
        justifier 10y ago
        credit goes to lstamour
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leephillips 10y ago

Did you try to follow up ref. 1 from the article?

justifier 10y ago
i did, multiple search permutations all came up dry, circling back by linking to this same nautil.us article
- lstamour 10y ago
  I might have found it in PDF (with an annoying download timer) at http://docslide.fr/documents/la-theorie-de-la-relativite-deinstein-a-la-societe-francaise-de-philosophie.html http://docslide.fr/documents/la-theorie-de-la-relativite-dei... or http://bit.ly/23vLiif http://bit.ly/23vLiif (Google Books preview), found via exerpts at http://dialog.ac-reims.fr/wphilo/philoreims/articlesb6fe.html?lng=fr&pg=257 http://dialog.ac-reims.fr/wphilo/philoreims/articlesb6fe.htm... which cites Bergson-Einstein, Bulletin de la Société Française de Philosophie, T. XVII, 1922, Paris, A. Colin, p. 25 as the original source. This PDF might still be in copyright, so there might still be better sources out there.
  - justifier 10y ago
    found it, in french: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3075319;view=1up;seq=361 https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3075319;view=1up... which matches your bitly link: http://bit.ly/23vLiif http://bit.ly/23vLiif ; and the bitly link has a clearer typeface also, it seems the pdf is the same document.. well done on the results! one of your other links led me here: http://www.2iceshs.cyfronet.pl/2ICESHS_Proceedings/Chapter_25/R-17_Canales.pdf http://www.2iceshs.cyfronet.pl/2ICESHS_Proceedings/Chapter_2... from there i got the citation: The meeting was recounted in the Bulletin de la Société française de Philosophie, vol. 22, no. 3, July 1922, pp. 102–113. It was reprinted in Bergson, Ecrits et Paroles, vol. 3, pp. 497, and in Henri Bergson, ―Discussion avec Einstein,‖ in Mélanges (Paris: Presses Universitaires de France, 1972). of which i took the Bulletin de la Société française de Philosophie, vol. 22, no. 3, July 1922, which led me here: https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000505792 https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000505792 and you can see v17-22(1917-1922) which leads to the above facsimile you can easily confirm this by searching the text for the quote: Il n’y a donc pas un temps des philosophes ; which will be found on page 107
    - leephillips 10y ago
      This is useful - thanks for tracking it down.
      - justifier 10y ago
        credit goes to lstamour

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