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Looks like there are no more state payments and you have to depend on charities, family or friends.

toomuchtodo 10y ago
Correct. Or you become destitute/homeless.
refurb 10y ago
What? No. You go on welfare. And get free healthcare through Medicaid. As much as people outside the US like to think it's some sort of heartless society, the US has a substantial safety net setup.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > You go on welfare. If you have children, you may qualify for whatever your states implementation of Temporary Assistance for Needy Family (TANF) is -- which has a work requirement. If not, your jurisdiction may have a "General Assistance" program, but these tend to be very small benefits, and often restricted in how long someone deemed "employable", whether or not they actually can find employment, can be on them (either in total, or within a given period; e.g., some jurisdictions have something like a 3-months in any 12-month period limit.) > As much as people outside the US like to think it's some sort of heartless society, the US has a substantial safety net setup. The US has an extraordinarily weak social safety net compared to most other developed countries.
  - JBReefer 10y ago
    What about compared to Singapore or Japan?
    - dragonwriter 10y ago
      > What about compared to Singapore or Japan? Not deeply familiar with either, but on review of a brief overview of the Japanese system it seems substantially more robust than the US system (though it also seems to have many similar structural difficulties.)
  - the_ancient 10y ago
    Allow me to quote one of our Founding Fathers "I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin Franklin
    - dragonwriter 10y ago
      If you want to argue that a very weak social Assagai net is a good thing, feel free. "Ben Franklin said so based on, at best, personal anecdotes" probably isn't the most compelling argument for that position but, in any case, e point is that the US system is weak, whether that's desirable or not, contrary to the upthread suggestion that it is substantial.
      - the_ancient 10y ago
        I actually argue to replace all Social Safety Nets, all Universal Healthcare, every government program with UBI... I do not believe the government should provide Food, Home, or Healthcare assistance to any. I do however believe every person should enjoy basic income level to buy those things for themselves http://forum.somethingtoconsidermovement.com/t/geolibertarianism-universal-basic-income-derived-from-commons-rent/46 http://forum.somethingtoconsidermovement.com/t/geolibertaria...
    - a_humean 10y ago
      Quoting an 18th century politician citing 18th century anecdotal evidence does not convince anyone who does not already occupy that viewpoint. Especially from outside of the US where the degree of unquestioning reverence, whatever their virtues, given to your founders can come across a little odd and parochial. They were men that agreed and disagreed with each other on lots of matters, not Gods.
- tssva 10y ago
  Getting on welfare and Medicaid is not as simple as you seem to think nor is it quick. Also if you are a male without any kids in most states you are out of luck.
  - maxerickson 10y ago
    In states with Medicaid expansion, men with no children do qualify for Medicaid.
    - deleted 10y ago
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- toomuchtodo 10y ago
  > As much as people outside the US like to think it's some sort of heartless society, the US has a substantial safety net setup. This is not true whatsoever.
  - refurb 10y ago
    Then please explain the 50% of the federal budget that goes to our social safety net. That's not substantial to you?
    - toomuchtodo 10y ago
      Medicare and Social Security, that you're only entitled to after you're above 62-67. (Depending on birth date) Anyone not elderly is SOL.
- Futurebot 10y ago
  In California, one of the most generous states with welfare, here's what it looks like for a single person with no children: WORK REQUIREMENT Non-assistance CalFresh recipient over age 17 and under age 50 must satisfy the ABAWD work requirement as a condition of eligibility unless they meet specified exemption criteria or live in an area where the ABAWD work requirement is waived. ABAWDs cannot receive CalFresh (food stamps) for more than three months in a 36-month period unless they meet this requirement or are excused from it. The ABAWD work requirement is met by performing one of the following: Working at least 20 hours per week in paid or volunteer employment; Participating at least 20 hours per week in an allowable work activity such as vocational training or basic education programs; or Participating in workfare (i.e., community service). The number of hours of participation in workfare is determined by dividing the CalFresh allotment by the higher of the state or federal minimum wage. Max benefit: $174 a month(!) Compare Germany: If a worker is not eligible for the full unemployment benefits or after receiving the full unemployment benefit for the maximum of 12 months, he is able to apply for benefits from the so-called Arbeitslosengeld II (Hartz IV) programme, an open-ended welfare programme which, unlike the US system, ensures people do not fall into penury. A person receiving Hartz IV benefits is paid 404 EUR (2016) a month for living expenses plus the cost of adequate housing (including heating) and health care. Couples can receive benefits for each partner. Germany does not have an EBT (electronic benefits transfer) card system in place and, instead, disburses welfare in cash or via direct deposit onto the recipient's bank account.
  - infinite8s 10y ago
    Not only that, in Germany you have universal health care, while in California (or anywhere else in the US) you will be uninsured (you can still be treated in the ER of any hospital, but that's not going to help in preventative situations).
    - refurb 10y ago
      Uh.... no. Read my original post. Medicaid is available to low income individuals. In fact, it was expanded (in most states) up to ~175% of the federal poverty level. You can get it even when you have a job!

Correct. Or you become destitute/homeless.

What? No. You go on welfare. And get free healthcare through Medicaid. As much as people outside the US like to think it's some sort of heartless society, the US has a substantial safety net setup.

dragonwriter 10y ago
> You go on welfare. If you have children, you may qualify for whatever your states implementation of Temporary Assistance for Needy Family (TANF) is -- which has a work requirement. If not, your jurisdiction may have a "General Assistance" program, but these tend to be very small benefits, and often restricted in how long someone deemed "employable", whether or not they actually can find employment, can be on them (either in total, or within a given period; e.g., some jurisdictions have something like a 3-months in any 12-month period limit.) > As much as people outside the US like to think it's some sort of heartless society, the US has a substantial safety net setup. The US has an extraordinarily weak social safety net compared to most other developed countries.
- JBReefer 10y ago
  What about compared to Singapore or Japan?
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    > What about compared to Singapore or Japan? Not deeply familiar with either, but on review of a brief overview of the Japanese system it seems substantially more robust than the US system (though it also seems to have many similar structural difficulties.)
- the_ancient 10y ago
  Allow me to quote one of our Founding Fathers "I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin Franklin
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    If you want to argue that a very weak social Assagai net is a good thing, feel free. "Ben Franklin said so based on, at best, personal anecdotes" probably isn't the most compelling argument for that position but, in any case, e point is that the US system is weak, whether that's desirable or not, contrary to the upthread suggestion that it is substantial.
    - the_ancient 10y ago
      I actually argue to replace all Social Safety Nets, all Universal Healthcare, every government program with UBI... I do not believe the government should provide Food, Home, or Healthcare assistance to any. I do however believe every person should enjoy basic income level to buy those things for themselves http://forum.somethingtoconsidermovement.com/t/geolibertarianism-universal-basic-income-derived-from-commons-rent/46 http://forum.somethingtoconsidermovement.com/t/geolibertaria...
  - a_humean 10y ago
    Quoting an 18th century politician citing 18th century anecdotal evidence does not convince anyone who does not already occupy that viewpoint. Especially from outside of the US where the degree of unquestioning reverence, whatever their virtues, given to your founders can come across a little odd and parochial. They were men that agreed and disagreed with each other on lots of matters, not Gods.
tssva 10y ago
Getting on welfare and Medicaid is not as simple as you seem to think nor is it quick. Also if you are a male without any kids in most states you are out of luck.
- maxerickson 10y ago
  In states with Medicaid expansion, men with no children do qualify for Medicaid.
  - deleted 10y ago
    [deleted]
toomuchtodo 10y ago
> As much as people outside the US like to think it's some sort of heartless society, the US has a substantial safety net setup. This is not true whatsoever.
- refurb 10y ago
  Then please explain the 50% of the federal budget that goes to our social safety net. That's not substantial to you?
  - toomuchtodo 10y ago
    Medicare and Social Security, that you're only entitled to after you're above 62-67. (Depending on birth date) Anyone not elderly is SOL.
Futurebot 10y ago
In California, one of the most generous states with welfare, here's what it looks like for a single person with no children: WORK REQUIREMENT Non-assistance CalFresh recipient over age 17 and under age 50 must satisfy the ABAWD work requirement as a condition of eligibility unless they meet specified exemption criteria or live in an area where the ABAWD work requirement is waived. ABAWDs cannot receive CalFresh (food stamps) for more than three months in a 36-month period unless they meet this requirement or are excused from it. The ABAWD work requirement is met by performing one of the following: Working at least 20 hours per week in paid or volunteer employment; Participating at least 20 hours per week in an allowable work activity such as vocational training or basic education programs; or Participating in workfare (i.e., community service). The number of hours of participation in workfare is determined by dividing the CalFresh allotment by the higher of the state or federal minimum wage. Max benefit: $174 a month(!) Compare Germany: If a worker is not eligible for the full unemployment benefits or after receiving the full unemployment benefit for the maximum of 12 months, he is able to apply for benefits from the so-called Arbeitslosengeld II (Hartz IV) programme, an open-ended welfare programme which, unlike the US system, ensures people do not fall into penury. A person receiving Hartz IV benefits is paid 404 EUR (2016) a month for living expenses plus the cost of adequate housing (including heating) and health care. Couples can receive benefits for each partner. Germany does not have an EBT (electronic benefits transfer) card system in place and, instead, disburses welfare in cash or via direct deposit onto the recipient's bank account.
- infinite8s 10y ago
  Not only that, in Germany you have universal health care, while in California (or anywhere else in the US) you will be uninsured (you can still be treated in the ER of any hospital, but that's not going to help in preventative situations).
  - refurb 10y ago
    Uh.... no. Read my original post. Medicaid is available to low income individuals. In fact, it was expanded (in most states) up to ~175% of the federal poverty level. You can get it even when you have a job!