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That's great... but meanwhile, he's being downvoted for doing exactly the same as you; sharing his opinion. Stay classy, HN.

by randac 10y ago

fossuser 10y ago
I suspect he's being downvoted both because HN users disagree and also because he's stating his opinion as if it's obvious fact.
- randac 10y ago
  Should I quote everyone else stating their opinion as obvious fact? If you disagree you shouldn't just downvote regardless.
- hartpuff 10y ago
  > he's being downvoted both because HN users disagree Which is probably the usual reason people downvote. And it's a shit reason. Downvoting (ie, trying to bury or hide a post) because someone says sumfing u don't wike is pathetic and childish; if you disagree either argue against it or move on. Downvotes (if they have to exist) should be reserved for posts that are objectively non-constructive (as in posts that don't make any argument, whether you agree with it or not, or add anything to a discussion).
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    > objectively non-constructive "non-constructive" is always subjective, so this is an oxymoron.
    - hartpuff 10y ago
      (as in posts that don't make any argument, whether you agree with it or not, or add anything to a discussion) Let's say someone here posts "fuck off" or "you're an idiot". Please explain how that can be interpreted as constructive to a discussion here. Edit: Wow, people who childishly downvote certainly don't like to be called out about their childish downvoting. :)
      - jsprogrammer 10y ago
        People will downvote and claim constructive comments are non-constructuve. People will even get the moderator to remove your comments and the moderator may make claims that your comments are "off-topic" if too many downmodders attach to your comment. The moderator will even alter text you post without notice. HN is not a serious discussion forum, but a marketing exercise for a VC fund.
        hartpuff 10y ago
        I just checked the first page of your comments and there seems to be some strange examples of inane/non-constructive downvoting. (I've seen threads where some of the wackiest, most inexplicable downvoting is going on, I almost wonder if it's the site deliberately trying to stir up activity/controversy.) In this thread it's becoming quite pathetic and ridiculous that people are unable to explain or back up the point they have made when I ask, and yet I get downvoted. On every post. This one will be no exception. (Edit: and it wasn't.) I assumed this was a serious place, and liked the idea of rules to keep a civil and theoretically high quality discussion, but the abuse of downvoting by infantile people just destroys it.
        ferrari8608 10y ago
        Same thing happened to Reddit. It was kind of inevitable that it would happen here, where many HN users are likely also Reddit users. Disagree button makes no sense when we already have a flag button.
        hartpuff 10y ago
        I agree; I hate the concept of downvoting. It's purely negative, which this site claims to discourage, it's completely mindless - why bother forming a cogent rebuttal to something you disagree with when you can lazily (and cowardly, without any risk of having your fragile beliefs challenged back) click a down arrow instead - and it disfavours minority (potentially interesting or controversial) points of view.
  - Nadya 10y ago
    >Which is probably the usual reason people downvote. And it's a shit reason. In a matter of public opinion about whether or not this would interest children in science - the votes are showing more people think it would than wouldn't. I also have a feeling more downvotes are coming for trying to pass off their (minority) opinion as some sort of established fact that one could reason themselves into, when most people who have reasoned with themselves came to the opposite conclusion. If you take that to the logical conclusion: they're insulting other people's intelligence for reaching the opposite conclusion. Which, last I checked, is not proper discourse on HN and routinely gets downvoted along with any other name calling.
    - hartpuff 10y ago
      I honestly can't tell if this is meant to be serious or not. It's not proper discourse on HN, or it insults people's intelligence, to have a minority opinion? What?
dang 10y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11643778 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11643778 and marked it off-topic.

That's great... but meanwhile, he's being downvoted for doing exactly the same as you; sharing his opinion. Stay classy, HN.

by randac 10y ago

That's great... but meanwhile, he's being downvoted for doing exactly the same as you; sharing his opinion. Stay classy, HN.

fossuser 10y ago

I suspect he's being downvoted both because HN users disagree and also because he's stating his opinion as if it's obvious fact.

randac 10y ago
Should I quote everyone else stating their opinion as obvious fact? If you disagree you shouldn't just downvote regardless.
hartpuff 10y ago
> he's being downvoted both because HN users disagree Which is probably the usual reason people downvote. And it's a shit reason. Downvoting (ie, trying to bury or hide a post) because someone says sumfing u don't wike is pathetic and childish; if you disagree either argue against it or move on. Downvotes (if they have to exist) should be reserved for posts that are objectively non-constructive (as in posts that don't make any argument, whether you agree with it or not, or add anything to a discussion).
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > objectively non-constructive "non-constructive" is always subjective, so this is an oxymoron.
  - hartpuff 10y ago
    (as in posts that don't make any argument, whether you agree with it or not, or add anything to a discussion) Let's say someone here posts "fuck off" or "you're an idiot". Please explain how that can be interpreted as constructive to a discussion here. Edit: Wow, people who childishly downvote certainly don't like to be called out about their childish downvoting. :)
    - jsprogrammer 10y ago
      People will downvote and claim constructive comments are non-constructuve. People will even get the moderator to remove your comments and the moderator may make claims that your comments are "off-topic" if too many downmodders attach to your comment. The moderator will even alter text you post without notice. HN is not a serious discussion forum, but a marketing exercise for a VC fund.
      - hartpuff 10y ago
        I just checked the first page of your comments and there seems to be some strange examples of inane/non-constructive downvoting. (I've seen threads where some of the wackiest, most inexplicable downvoting is going on, I almost wonder if it's the site deliberately trying to stir up activity/controversy.) In this thread it's becoming quite pathetic and ridiculous that people are unable to explain or back up the point they have made when I ask, and yet I get downvoted. On every post. This one will be no exception. (Edit: and it wasn't.) I assumed this was a serious place, and liked the idea of rules to keep a civil and theoretically high quality discussion, but the abuse of downvoting by infantile people just destroys it.
        ferrari8608 10y ago
        Same thing happened to Reddit. It was kind of inevitable that it would happen here, where many HN users are likely also Reddit users. Disagree button makes no sense when we already have a flag button.
        hartpuff 10y ago
        I agree; I hate the concept of downvoting. It's purely negative, which this site claims to discourage, it's completely mindless - why bother forming a cogent rebuttal to something you disagree with when you can lazily (and cowardly, without any risk of having your fragile beliefs challenged back) click a down arrow instead - and it disfavours minority (potentially interesting or controversial) points of view.
- Nadya 10y ago
  >Which is probably the usual reason people downvote. And it's a shit reason. In a matter of public opinion about whether or not this would interest children in science - the votes are showing more people think it would than wouldn't. I also have a feeling more downvotes are coming for trying to pass off their (minority) opinion as some sort of established fact that one could reason themselves into, when most people who have reasoned with themselves came to the opposite conclusion. If you take that to the logical conclusion: they're insulting other people's intelligence for reaching the opposite conclusion. Which, last I checked, is not proper discourse on HN and routinely gets downvoted along with any other name calling.
  - hartpuff 10y ago
    I honestly can't tell if this is meant to be serious or not. It's not proper discourse on HN, or it insults people's intelligence, to have a minority opinion? What?

dang 10y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11643778 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11643778 and marked it off-topic.