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Yoo.Ess.Ae! Yoo.Ess.Ae! Yoo.Ess.Aeh! There. See. No harm, no foul. Anyways, as a non-American living in the US since 2001, I fail to see an issue with chantin

by shiven 10y ago

Yoo.Ess.Ae! Yoo.Ess.Ae! Yoo.Ess.Aeh! There. See. No harm, no foul. Anyways, as a non-American living in the US since 2001, I fail to see an issue with chanting USA, one way or another. It is an American company, with majority US employees, running this project (mainly) for an American entity (NASA), on US sovereign territory (or ocean?), using a significant chunk of US resources. So, it is their company and their country. I say, let them do what they want with it. And if chanting USA is what they wish to do, I have no problem with that.

MacsHeadroom 10y ago
Any proud chant is problematic only to the degree of pride it conveys for the wrong thing(s). Landing a space ship in 2016 surely warrants significant pride. Whether the USA is worth praising for this particular success, I'm not as sure. But damn, congrats to everyone involved. You just landed a fucking space ship. Good job.
- MicroBerto 10y ago
  SpaceX is a company full of highly-dedicated, ridiculously hard-working patriotic Americans who went to prestigious American universities - both private and public - and is run by a extremely ambitious and innovative legal immigrant. The company embodies everything that makes America great. Chant away.
fit2rule 10y ago
I think its offensive to have nationalistic robot-like-chanting being defended as an okay thing. Its the sort of thing you expect people to do at rallies or cult gatherings, and from an outsider perspective it always tarnishes what is otherwise a very rational event, because its an implied irrational, collective mindset. As a non-American, I wish it'd stop - its a major turnoff for these events, and I switch away when it starts up. I know, I know - Americans have a right to be proud, and they do. But expressing it with a cult-like mechanism that is, essentially "our group is great, nobody else can/has done this" is just .. revolting. I say this, knowing full well I'm going to get down voted for it, but I really do wish you Americans would think about it from the other side of your dark mirror. Can't we come up with a chant that includes all of humanity? After all, America wouldn't be the nation it is today without all other nations on Earth, including the ones that America has invaded, and destroyed completely, wantonly, for decades. EDIT: Feel how this post detracts from the main article, and is a distraction from the feel-goodness of SpaceX's accomplishments? For us non-Americans, thats how the USA-cult chant feels - a total distraction. I wish I could down vote the chanting when I see it on TV, too.
- mineshaftgap 10y ago
  America is growing weary of butt hurt euro-whiners. Soon Europe will pay for its own defense or reap the whirlwind. Also Musk is extremely patriotic so piss off and do something worthy in EU.
- david-given 10y ago
  You're getting downvoted into oblivion, but yeah, that's basically how I feel. Cultural differences, I'm sure, because I'm not USian; but every time I see it on the youtube videos it makes me deeply uncomfortable.
  - fit2rule 10y ago
    I knew I would get down voted, because the collective group-think mindset is very strong around this particular issue, and Americans have been programmed to think its acceptable to make these kind of cult-chants when they do something special. It is a special event - most definitely - but the cult-chant ruins it. Very obnoxious.
    - TulliusCicero 10y ago
      Honestly you just sound kind of brittle if others chanting USA! ruins something for you. Sometimes the USA chant is overdone but in this case I think it's awesome.
      - fit2rule 10y ago
        To each their own. What starts as an awesome technological event, ends with thought-stopping cult-like behavior. I guess the two are entwined, eternally, throughout human culture, so I shouldn't be surprised ..
  - Kratisto 10y ago
    I'm an American, and I'm just wondering why it makes you uncomfortable? Does chanting at sporting events make you uncomfortable as well? edit: Reply button showed up finally
pilsetnieks 10y ago
> running this project (mainly) for an American entity (NASA) NASA is the largest customer but so far they account only for about 50% of the launches. This one in particular was for JSAT (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSAT_Corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSAT_Corporation), a Japanese company. I'm a little uneasy with the chant mostly because I (want to) perceive it to be largely a commercial enterprise and this win should belong firstly to the company and people working there. Too bad that "SpaceX" just doesn't sound that great as a chant. It reminds, a little, of certain systems where the state is held above all else, where patriotism is a requirement and a virtue in itself, and where there's no division between government and economy.

by shiven 10y ago

MacsHeadroom 10y ago

Any proud chant is problematic only to the degree of pride it conveys for the wrong thing(s). Landing a space ship in 2016 surely warrants significant pride. Whether the USA is worth praising for this particular success, I'm not as sure. But damn, congrats to everyone involved. You just landed a fucking space ship. Good job.

MicroBerto 10y ago
SpaceX is a company full of highly-dedicated, ridiculously hard-working patriotic Americans who went to prestigious American universities - both private and public - and is run by a extremely ambitious and innovative legal immigrant. The company embodies everything that makes America great. Chant away.

fit2rule 10y ago

I think its offensive to have nationalistic robot-like-chanting being defended as an okay thing. Its the sort of thing you expect people to do at rallies or cult gatherings, and from an outsider perspective it always tarnishes what is otherwise a very rational event, because its an implied irrational, collective mindset. As a non-American, I wish it'd stop - its a major turnoff for these events, and I switch away when it starts up. I know, I know - Americans have a right to be proud, and they do. But expressing it with a cult-like mechanism that is, essentially "our group is great, nobody else can/has done this" is just .. revolting. I say this, knowing full well I'm going to get down voted for it, but I really do wish you Americans would think about it from the other side of your dark mirror. Can't we come up with a chant that includes all of humanity? After all, America wouldn't be the nation it is today without all other nations on Earth, including the ones that America has invaded, and destroyed completely, wantonly, for decades. EDIT: Feel how this post detracts from the main article, and is a distraction from the feel-goodness of SpaceX's accomplishments? For us non-Americans, thats how the USA-cult chant feels - a total distraction. I wish I could down vote the chanting when I see it on TV, too.

mineshaftgap 10y ago
America is growing weary of butt hurt euro-whiners. Soon Europe will pay for its own defense or reap the whirlwind. Also Musk is extremely patriotic so piss off and do something worthy in EU.
david-given 10y ago
You're getting downvoted into oblivion, but yeah, that's basically how I feel. Cultural differences, I'm sure, because I'm not USian; but every time I see it on the youtube videos it makes me deeply uncomfortable.
- fit2rule 10y ago
  I knew I would get down voted, because the collective group-think mindset is very strong around this particular issue, and Americans have been programmed to think its acceptable to make these kind of cult-chants when they do something special. It is a special event - most definitely - but the cult-chant ruins it. Very obnoxious.
  - TulliusCicero 10y ago
    Honestly you just sound kind of brittle if others chanting USA! ruins something for you. Sometimes the USA chant is overdone but in this case I think it's awesome.
    - fit2rule 10y ago
      To each their own. What starts as an awesome technological event, ends with thought-stopping cult-like behavior. I guess the two are entwined, eternally, throughout human culture, so I shouldn't be surprised ..
- Kratisto 10y ago
  I'm an American, and I'm just wondering why it makes you uncomfortable? Does chanting at sporting events make you uncomfortable as well? edit: Reply button showed up finally

pilsetnieks 10y ago

> running this project (mainly) for an American entity (NASA) NASA is the largest customer but so far they account only for about 50% of the launches. This one in particular was for JSAT (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSAT_Corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSAT_Corporation), a Japanese company. I'm a little uneasy with the chant mostly because I (want to) perceive it to be largely a commercial enterprise and this win should belong firstly to the company and people working there. Too bad that "SpaceX" just doesn't sound that great as a chant. It reminds, a little, of certain systems where the state is held above all else, where patriotism is a requirement and a virtue in itself, and where there's no division between government and economy.