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> I know that it's all very "tinfoil hat" sounding, but there are a number of places where the disparity is highly suspect. It is tinfoil hat sounding because
by mahranch 10y ago
> I know that it's all very "tinfoil hat" sounding, but there are a number of places where the disparity is highly suspect.
It is tinfoil hat sounding because it is tinfoil hat territory.
I'm sorry, but the internet has made Sanders supporters lose touch with reality; Hillary Clinton, even at the very end, still beat Sanders by double digits (source: http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-d...). The Obama vs Clinton matchup was much, much closer. We're only talking a few point difference.
I saw this same thing happen back in 2008 with Ron Paul. Paul supporters had a hard time believing that Paul didn't stand a chance.
The reason Clinton trounced Sanders is multifaceted; First off, Sanders is old and he's Jewish. Unfortunately, that puts some people off right away (bigotry and prejudice is still alive and well in America). Secondly, he embraced the term Socialist. While people under 40 may be aware of what that term entails (we think of European/democratic socialism, not Russian/Chinese socialism) the older generation & boomers still thinks of the commies and pinkos. America is still 10-30 years away from using that word without the stigma & negative connotations. And that kind of sums up Sanders; he's espousing an ideology that America isn't quite ready for.
We need to move further to the left a bit. Kind of like how the GOP has kept moving this country to the right over the last 35 years, we need to move it back to the center, and ultimately to the left. I'm a democratic socialist myself but even I knew Sanders didn't stand a chance. That's because I'm aware that it's going to take some time. Perhaps a couple decades. It starts with small steps, electing moderates who lean left, then finally left candidates like Sanders.
- kiya0 10y agoI dont think it needs to take that mucb time. Elizabeth Warren would have had a better shot than Sanders and would have still stood for a lot of the same stuff.
- mahranch 10y agoWell history has shown it takes at least that much time. It took that much time for the republicans to push our country to the right as much as they have; it would take at least that long to push it back to the left.