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No I didn't say that, sorry.

bad_user 10y ago
Well, you haven't made any assertions (e.g. something whose truthiness can be evaluated, like A => B). Your only claim is that Trump is successful by today's standard. You're implying that's the reason for his success and not his "persuasive skills" and you don't mention anything else, but you are saying "case closed" as if these words are enough. So what are you saying?
- rantanplan 10y ago
  I'm saying he was the epitome of a successful and happy person by today's American standards.
  - bad_user 10y ago
    But how does that contradict that he has persuasion skills? In fact, by today's standards, to have success one very important ingredient is to have persuasion skills, also known as salesmanship. Many of us, software developers are sadly not good at salesmanship, but at least we can recognize it when we see it. And personally I think Trump has it, even if his style is obnoxious. That he has skills only because of today's standards, that may be true, but I wouldn't be so sure of causality: are today's standards responsible for Trump's success, or has Trump adapted to today's standards? I guess we'll never know. My problem with your argument is that it seems you're considering Trump to be unskilled. I think that's a mistake and if I were in Trump's shoes, that's exactly how I'd like for people like us to think, because he's not the kind of man leaning towards dialog, strategies or cooperation, but rather the kind that does battles and in battles you want to be an asshole (people love assholes in battles, because they make a good show and supposedly show "strength"). And also you want to be underestimated.
    - rantanplan 10y ago
      It directly contradicts all that because if you read my comment, what I'm saying is: a) the general population is at state FOO, b) Trump is at state FOO, ergo no persuasion needed. They just happen to coincide. It really wasn't that hard to infer what I was saying. To everything else you're saying: if you think Trump's past displays awesome management skills and strategy, well ok. We just disagree I guess? Personally, to people like Trump, I wouldn't even trust them with carrying out the simplest of tasks. If you think he has achieved much, I'd refer you to his family's wealth and connections. If you still disagree, then we just agree to disagree.

Well, you haven't made any assertions (e.g. something whose truthiness can be evaluated, like A => B). Your only claim is that Trump is successful by today's standard. You're implying that's the reason for his success and not his "persuasive skills" and you don't mention anything else, but you are saying "case closed" as if these words are enough. So what are you saying?

rantanplan 10y ago
I'm saying he was the epitome of a successful and happy person by today's American standards.
- bad_user 10y ago
  But how does that contradict that he has persuasion skills? In fact, by today's standards, to have success one very important ingredient is to have persuasion skills, also known as salesmanship. Many of us, software developers are sadly not good at salesmanship, but at least we can recognize it when we see it. And personally I think Trump has it, even if his style is obnoxious. That he has skills only because of today's standards, that may be true, but I wouldn't be so sure of causality: are today's standards responsible for Trump's success, or has Trump adapted to today's standards? I guess we'll never know. My problem with your argument is that it seems you're considering Trump to be unskilled. I think that's a mistake and if I were in Trump's shoes, that's exactly how I'd like for people like us to think, because he's not the kind of man leaning towards dialog, strategies or cooperation, but rather the kind that does battles and in battles you want to be an asshole (people love assholes in battles, because they make a good show and supposedly show "strength"). And also you want to be underestimated.
  - rantanplan 10y ago
    It directly contradicts all that because if you read my comment, what I'm saying is: a) the general population is at state FOO, b) Trump is at state FOO, ergo no persuasion needed. They just happen to coincide. It really wasn't that hard to infer what I was saying. To everything else you're saying: if you think Trump's past displays awesome management skills and strategy, well ok. We just disagree I guess? Personally, to people like Trump, I wouldn't even trust them with carrying out the simplest of tasks. If you think he has achieved much, I'd refer you to his family's wealth and connections. If you still disagree, then we just agree to disagree.