> That's pretty revisionist. Religion certainly was not like that in the past. "There is a teapot orbiting the sun, between Venus and Mercury". That is a very

> That's pretty revisionist. Religion certainly was not like that in the past. "There is a teapot orbiting the sun, between Venus and Mercury". That is a very concrete fact, and in principle verifiable. I am anyway making a claim outside of rational discussion, because I know that with out current knowledge and technology, it is impossible to discuss this fact. That's how religious facts work: they make concrete claims, but unverifiable with the knowledge and technology of the period when the claim is made. That those claims are unmasked by the progress in human knowledge is just a design flaw of religion, not a prove that they anyhow want to take part in the rational discourse.